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Lars
The perfect jawari! Aug 11, 2003 09:07 p.m.

Well, after getting taught by Billy, here is my feeble attempt to have a picture here which won't be a regular thing.
Just wanted everyone to know that I am on the search for good jawari bridges. Actually this was from an email I sent to a maker to India that I sent some deer horn to (no deer were harmed in the acquisition of the horn). I tried to find deer myself as the picture shows but was unsuccessful. . .
Lars
Pb
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 12:04 a.m.

Check out this ebony bridge of Ustad Shahid Parvez at Toronto's sitar school:
http://www.sitarschool.com/images/ustadji2high.jpg
I think that is the darkest sitar that I have ever seen.

Lars, I think your pic is hosed.

Pb
AJ
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 02:31 a.m.

That IS a really dark sitar!

Would those happen to be shoe strings I see by the mogras?

Hey Lars, you wouldn't happen to know how to do the antler dance now, would ya?

AJ
Danimal
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 08:47 a.m.

My sitar teacher's organization is bringing Shahid Parvez to Ft. Lauderdale on Aug. 30. Hopefully I can get a look at that bridge. . .either way, I'll let y'all know how the concert goes. I saw him a few years ago in Dallas, but given the large gap in time, I won't be able to make a comparison to that show.

Anyone in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/West Palm area should check him out. I'll post the concert details in a new thread if there's any interest.

Dan
Russ
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 11:46 a.m.

Lars, I don't think the pic survived the trip. Two weeks before Peter C left us, he asked me to look into finding a deer, elk or plains antelope horn source out here in the southwest as he was planning to go into the jawari business. There are bulk buyers out here, but they sell only among themselves, not to the public. So, that inquiry and Peter's plans both became extinct.

I've noticed that almost all the sitars made in the VK style are very dark with few ornaments. I think that's because he prefers austerity. Check out those mogaras on Shahids's sitar. Never saw any like those, or has that picture been stretched somehow?
Billy
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 12:18 p.m.

Are you guys saying you don't see the picture in Lars' post? If so, I don't get it, because I see it well, and we're certainly not on the same servers.

Here it is again:

and here is the actual link:

http:\\sitarsetc.com\Larslookingfordeer1.jpg

Namaste',
Billy Enigmar Godfrey
Russ
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 12:37 p.m.

Hmmm. .are you using Netscape or Internet Explorer? That might be the culprit. I use Netscape. Some formats like an inline jpg Netscape has trouble displaying. All I get is an MS icon indicating an image breakup. I'll check out Lar's site.
Beenkarji
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 01:16 p.m.

First of all Lars, love the picture. Second of all Shahid Parvez is just playing a pre 1940s sitar I think, because after Ustad Vilayat Khan, Pandit Ravi Shankar, and Pandit Nikhil Banerjee made adaptations, all the other makers wanted to copy that look, and I have to admit, chocolate brown is a very nice color for an instrument. I once saw a sitar that was red, and one of my rudra veena has yellow and black gourds, . .all the colors of the rainbow. .lol. .
pb
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 01:18 p.m.

Ok, I see the problem now. The link has the wrong slash char:
http://sitarsetc.com/Larslookingfordeer1.jpg
works fine for me. It should work fine for everyone. I'm on a Linux box. Windows boxes would probably understand the back slash "\" as well as the normal "/" for delimitation. Ya, what can I say, I don't run a single windows app. I'm free!

Pb
Linux Geek at large
Billy
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 01:26 p.m.

Russ (Aug 12, 2003 12:37 p.m.):
Hmmm. .are you using Netscape or Internet Explorer? That might be the culprit. I use Netscape. Some formats like an inline jpg Netscape has trouble displaying. All I get is an MS icon indicating an image breakup. I'll check out Lar's site.

You're right, I am using IE. I just pulled up Netscape 4.7 and no, I do not see the pictures. I don't have the newer version of NS on this machine, I'll have to wait until I get home. Are you using a new version (6.2 or 7.1) or an earlier version of Netscape?

Namaste',
Billy Enigmar Godfrey
Russ
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 01:48 p.m.

Beenkarji;
Pre-1940s? Still holding together after all those decades? I'm impressed with whoever maintains it! From what I've seen, most sitars made in the last 25 or so years tend to be the rusty-brown or yellowish-brown "wood" color. Has become popular as a color. Before that as you say, the darker stain was most often used. Raviji's old Nodu Mullock from the fifties was an exception as it was light-colored. I have a no-name sitar made around late 1969, and it has that dark chocolate color as well.

Pb and Billy;
Your pic came thru fine, Pb. Thanks. That's one smart deer! Billy, I have 6.2 Netscape, but the older versions also had this problem. IE is probably a better engine anyway.
Billy
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 02:10 p.m.

Russ (Aug 12, 2003 01:48 p.m.):
Your pic came thru fine, Pb. Thanks. That's one smart deer! Billy, I have 6.2 Netscape, but the older versions also had this problem. IE is probably a better engine anyway.

I was a die-hard Netscape fan, but was forced to begin using IE for work. Incredibally, our email is still on Netscape 4.7, which is why I keep that version. But when using Netscape, I usually use 6.2. It is good for me to keep various versions of browsers handy, so that when I build a web page, I can see what it looks like on different browsers.
Namaste',
Billy Enigmar Godfrey
Billy
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 07:11 p.m.

pb (Aug 12, 2003 01:18 p.m.):
Ok, I see the problem now. The link has the wrong slash char:
http://sitarsetc.com/Larslookingfordeer1.jpg
works fine for me.Pb
Linux Geek at large

That's really funny; I can't believe I missed it! I work on both Unix and Windows so much, its always something I'm looking for! Oh well, rack one up to the Linux Geek at Large! Way to go!!

Namaste',
Billy Enigmar Godfrey
Lars
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 12, 2003 08:15 p.m.

Well, shoot, don't know how that happened but fixed it. . .
Russ, I've sent very large horn to India for them to try but they didn't like it for jawari, was fine for other things. I think synthetic is the way to go or ebony. . .
Lars
Russ
Re:The perfect jawari! Aug 13, 2003 02:08 p.m.

Ya, maybe its time for sitars to evolve again. Good quality tough bone/horn is getting hard to come by. These deers just don't want to seem to cooperate! And the camels just spit at you. . . . .
Ebony can be a bit expensive, and again harder to get. I don't see any problem with going synthetic. Many sitars already use synthetic main and tarb bridges.
raj singh
Ustad Shahid Parvez's Sitar Aug 18, 2003 01:48 p.m.

Ustad Shahid Parvez sitar is not really that old.It was made within the last 10-15 years by Yusef Mirajkar in Pune.It is painted with a high gloss black paint.I've been lucky enough to see it upclose a few times.
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