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Andrew
Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Oct 17, 2003 04:37 p.m.

I'm looking to learn to play Tabla, and am not sure if anyone in my area would teach me. I live in the central valle in CA. If you don't know where this is, click back, but if you know of somewhere I could learn near Tracy CA, please drop me an email at super13pill@hotmail.com. Thanks.
Keshav Das
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Oct 17, 2003 07:03 p.m.

Try this link
http://www.keshav-music.com/teachers.htm
Aanaddha
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 14, 2004 07:26 a.m.

Keshav Das (Oct 17, 2003 07:03 p.m.):
Try this link
http://www.keshav-music.com/teachers.htm[/quote]

Keshav Das,
Why don't you post your ad in the column to the left like the others? That way you won't have to keep posting links to your store.

A.
Keshav Das
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 14, 2004 10:09 a.m.

Anaddha, You should know that when I first proposed to have this page a number of dealers said I shouldn't do it because students so frequently purchase their instruments directly from their teachers, so that in all likelyhood, I would end up LOSING business by having the link, and in the end - they might be right. Since the page has been up - we have had many people write in to thank us for linking them to a teacher, (or visa-versa) but not one person has ever purchased an instrument because of the teachers page. Not one. But the teachers and the students that find them really appreciate it being there because it's the most comprehensive listing in the USA. If one or two people in the forum are hostile to the idea that a student should find a teacher via our page - that's a shame. You just can't please everyone.
Peace
Aanaddha
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 14, 2004 12:14 p.m.

I don't know what other people think, but I'd prefer not to see links to retailers posted in the message boards of this forum by persons who are owners or proprietors of that business. You could have simply given the reference that was listed instead of luring them to your retail website.
The lower portion of the left hand column of this page is reserved to retail advertisers such as Sitars Etc., KalaKendar, Buckingham Music. Those retailers have placed their ads there, and, I'm certain that many readers have found them quite useful, why can't you?
Besides, yours isn't the only teacher finding resource. The 'Site Links' section of the very same left-hand column of this page also has a teacher-locating resource that appears to be even more comprehensive than yours. If you think you can provide better resources why don't you begin a reader forum of your own? That way you could "bang your drum" as loud and as often as you'd like.

Aanaddha
R-Weg
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 14, 2004 06:59 p.m.

Let me understand, someone who couldn't find a teacher requested help and Ananda wants Mr. Das to pay for the privilege of responding to the inquiry? Does this mean Lars, Bruce and everyone else should only be allowed to post something here when it suits Ananda? Is he the owner of this site? Please clear this up.
Aanaddha
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 12:45 a.m.

R-Weg (Jan 14, 2004 06:59 p.m.):
Let me understand, someone who couldn't find a teacher requested help and Ananda wants Mr. Das to pay for the privilege of responding to the inquiry? Does this mean Lars, Bruce and everyone else should only be allowed to post something here when it suits Ananda? Is he the owner of this site? Please clear this up.

Dear R-Weg,
Mr. Keshav Das was kind to respond to the original inquiry. However, he could have done so without the unecessary link to his personal business. As a long-time reader and participant in this forum it is simply my own - one reader's opinion - that this forum remain free from self -promotion and personal advertising. The advertisements you see to the left are paid for by those businesses to help to keep this valuable forum and this site functioning - free to you and me. Mr. Keshav Das apparently feels he has the right to advertise indirectly within the reader's forum without having to make the same contribution. (Mr. David Courtney, the originator of the Tabla Forum is also advertises here in the same form as the others for his publications and his CD's. He does not post links to his books and music within the reader's forum. His ads are no larger and in fact, appear beneath the others.)
One function of this site which I also pointed out in great detail is a teacher-finding reference link which this site provides to it's readers which is also freely accessable to all. This also happens to be the most comprehensive and most up-to-date reference of it's kind on-line thanks to our kind benefactors.
This is simply my opinion as plain and as open as I can explain it. I have nothing personal to gain by it and nothing to hide. If I am mistaken then perhaps someone will explain to me why and how and I will either disagree or apologize.
Sincerely,
Aanaddha
Ramesh
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 05:08 a.m.

Annadha, with due respects, I been to Keshav's site and it lists many many teachers which I dont think that pay to Keshav for the priveledge of advertising. It doesn't say " Come to Keshav only"

Secondly, to be comercial or not, to improve one's gain or not, all links are regarded as a Resource to share and provide information. That is what the Internet is all about.

I will gladly share all my Tabla knowledge and experience freely to all as against all traditions as I believe in promoting to all who are interested.

Perhaps the administrator will ask Keshav to include the list of teachers in the Courtneys Teachers and Performers section.

Best wishes
Ramesh
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 05:14 a.m.

Ramesh (Jan 15, 2004 05:08 a.m.):

Perhaps the administrator will ask Keshav to include the list of teachers in the Courtneys Teachers and Performers section.

Best wishes

Sorry, that should have read ' . .The administrator will ask Keshav so that his list is included in this site
Aanaddha
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 07:27 a.m.

Ramesh (Jan 15, 2004 05:08 a.m.):
Annadha, with due respects, I been to Keshav's site and it lists many many teachers which I dont think that pay to Keshav for the priveledge of advertising. It doesn't say " Come to Keshav only"

Secondly, to be comercial or not, to improve one's gain or not, all links are regarded as a Resource to share and provide information. That is what the Internet is all about.

I will gladly share all my Tabla knowledge and experience freely to all as against all traditions as I believe in promoting to all who are interested.

Perhaps the administrator will ask Keshav to include the list of teachers in the Courtneys Teachers and Performers section.

Best wishes

Dear Ramesh,
While I appreciate your opinion, I hope I did not lead anyone to believe that I think that teachers should have to pay for the priveledge of being listed as a resource here or anywhere. There is a location here under "Suppliers of Indian Instruments" for those resources that are fundamentally commercial. (Apparently, Keshav Das has not even asked to be listed here quite freely as a resource.) Whether a resource that is primarily commercial can be considered as an unbiased source of information is arguable. Secondly, I would think that even as a matter of professional courtesy commercial vendors would not paste links to their places of business in an uninvited fashion on websites or forums like this, that, for the benefit of all readers, are not littered by commercial advertisements or links to commercial sites.

BTW, I am in no way involved in making the policies regarding this forum. I am simply expressing my opinion.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha
Keshav Das
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 11:04 a.m.

I think everyone has stated (elegantly) their points of view here. Thankfully, in a pretty mellow fashion.
I could go through what was said and make a point-by-point refutation of the things I don't agree with but then this would go on endlessly. Let me only quote Anaddha

" There is a location here under "Suppliers of Indian Instruments" for those resources that are fundamentally commercial. (Apparently, Keshav Das has not even asked to be listed here quite freely as a resource.)"

I'm aware if this resource and have never taken advantage of it. My best advertising has always been word of mouth/happy customers. I think the fact that Chandra and David are generous enough to provide this opportunity speaks volumes about the question of what should or shouldn't be posted on the site that they maintain. They are adults and capable of speaking for themselves. Should they to ask me to refrain from posting a link to teachers, I would happily comply. And were that to occur, I doubt that the request would be couched in the kind of rancor that I have been subjected to over this post.
Peace,
K
shawn122
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 09:21 p.m.

Keshav Bhai. . .I like you. U have a very comprehensive site.
In the coming days, I will try to help you with adding tabla teachers in canada, by a province by province basis. I currently reside in toronto. If you think this is feasible, let me know.

peace everyone
Keshav Das
Re:Looking to Learn, need some local places plz Jan 15, 2004 10:52 p.m.

That would be great. If you can send the info in a format similar to that used on the page I could get it on to the site more quickly. Building the original directory took months.
Cheers,
K
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