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Neruda
Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 22, 2003 02:00 a.m.

How do people on this forum generally play terekete? I've been playing it primarily using my middle finger for both "te"s and index finger for "re", but I just read something about using the ring finger to play the second "te". This style makes a lot of sense to me, since it breaks the right hand up into three seperate surfaces instead of two and allows me to play terekete twice or more in succession without problem (or no more problem than the fact that my ring finger is unaccustomed to playing that bol), but my teacher has never told me to play in this manner and to my knowledge I haven't seen him play it. Would it be to my advantage to practice this technique, or is more of an "apples or oranges" type thing?
alien
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 22, 2003 03:28 a.m.

Hello!
If you study with your teacher for a while and you've never heard or seen it, it's likely that you study purab baaj. You have two equally good ways: 1. follow your guru as long as you can (you don't miss anything, you can still widen your repertoire later, much easier); 2. Experiment. In this case you loose net 6 months just to be familiar with this fingering and you gain a possibility to play plenty of famous compositions.
"2 1 Ke 2": your method. Maybe in Benares?
"2+3 1 Ke 2+3": archaic, heroic, full sounding, I think played on pakhawaj;
"2 1 Ke 2+3": easier variation of previous, played when ring finger should land coming from the basic position (f. ex. dhadha tere kete);
"2 1 Ke 3+4": the default in Delhi, Punjab, Ajrara.
"2 1 Ke 3": really light. I don't know where used

I hope I'm not wrong here. Good luck.
Swara
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 22, 2003 07:22 a.m.

"2 1 Ke 2": your method. Maybe in Benares?
"2+3 1 Ke 2+3": archaic, heroic, full sounding, I think played on pakhawaj;

The first is not Benares. It is Delhi style
The second is Benares. This style has more influences from pakhawaj than any other style.
Neruda
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 22, 2003 04:46 p.m.

My teacher studied primarily under Swapan Chaudhuri of the Lucknow gharana, and he generally uses the 2+3 1 ke 2+3 style. I use this style as well as the 2 1 ke 2 style when it's useful to. But it's good to know that the 2 1 ke 3 style is not necessarily required.
alien
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 23, 2003 03:30 a.m.

Swara (Apr 22, 2003 07:22 a.m.):
"2 1 Ke 2": your method. Maybe in Benares?
"2+3 1 Ke 2+3": archaic, heroic, full sounding, I think played on pakhawaj;

The first is not Benares. It is Delhi style
The second is Benares. This style has more influences from pakhawaj than any other style.


Dear Swara,
Sorry for disagreeing but I've never met 2 1 ke 2 in Delhi style.
ramesh
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 23, 2003 04:55 a.m.

I have been taught 2 1 Ke 3+4 and I'm sticking to it. My teacher has also taught me the other variables but this one definately gives me more flexibility as I have short fat fingers where space and placement becomes a premium.
Swara
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 23, 2003 07:21 a.m.

The first is not Benares. It is Delhi style
The second is Benares. This style has more influences from pakhawaj than any other style.[/quote]
Dear Swara,
Sorry for disagreeing but I've never met 2 1 ke 2 in Delhi style.[/quote]

dear Alien,
yes maybe you are right. I was told by a colleague tablaplayer the normal 'terekete' in Delhi style is played like "21 ke 2+3. When played soft they use "21 ke 2". If it is not true I really do sorry for the wrong information.
tabla_sher
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 23, 2003 05:15 p.m.

My ustad is a disciple of Allah Rakha and I've been learning Punjab Gharana. We have so far been playing terekit 2+3,1,ke,2+3. I've also been learning lots of Kaidas where my ustad says to play reverse tete (1, 2+3).
Warren
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 24, 2003 12:05 a.m.

Folks there are 2 kinds of trkt you guys are discussing one is often considered full hand trkt and the other is finger trkt. Both are played by proficient tablaya because for high speed you need to use full hand trkt but for intricate work you need finger trkt . For example if you play
2 trkt's in a row
te will be middle finger, re will be first, ke then ta will be ring finger.
A variation on finger trkt is to come back with the middle finger for ta because the ring finger is already placed. Delhi and Ajarya are more famous for the finger bols, Benares may not be but all these trkt styles are required in all the Gharanas
Sahil
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 24, 2003 03:48 a.m.

Hi friends:
This is my firs message on this board but it does not mean that i came to this forum first time. I check this forum on daily bases. I thank all of you, I did learn a lot from you. The topic of terekete made me to write and share my knowledge with you.
I respect what ever all of you tell about how to play terekete, and my teacher told me the same thing but i was confused how to define which "te" should be played by which finger.So i was told that if there is ta na or dha after te that te should be played by ring finger and if there is Ti after dha,ta and na that ti should be played by middle finger. so my friends if you want to increas in playing speed try this idea because it worked for me.
here is some for practice:

Moment of Five

Dha-te re ke te ta ka
Dha-te re ke te ta ka te re ke te
Ta- te re ke te ta ka
Dha-te re ke te ta ka te re ke te

ta ka= re ka
Rohit
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 24, 2003 06:26 p.m.

Hi neruda,
the basic idea with terekite is that almost any style will work, it just takes practice. The best idea is to ask your guru or ustad which one will best work. The point is that the sound production is clear. Delhi style gives speed and purab style gives (what i feel is) more full sound. Most people use the 2 1 ka 2 or the 2+3 1 ka 2+3 style. In the end it is just based on what works best for you.
Neruda
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 25, 2003 12:15 p.m.

Then I guess I'll just keep playing it the way I've been playing it. :-)
David Courtney
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" Apr 29, 2003 10:17 p.m.

Dear friends

I don't normally participate but I though that I would jump in here.

One day I tried counting the number of ways that I have seen this bol played. When I got to 27 I just stopped counting. I was no where near exhausting the possibilities but it was just turning into a pointless task.

The bottom line is simple. All of the various approaches are valid, yet each has its own advantage and disadvantage. I think that it is a good idea to experiment and "FEEL" what each style has to offer. Don't reject any particular style because your particular teacher does not endorse it. Each has some advantage that one day will serve you.

good luck.

Peace and solidarity

David Courtney
Neruda
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" May 02, 2003 09:55 p.m.

Thank you very much for your reply, David. Just as a follow-up to this thread, I like to say that I had an excellent lesson today with my teacher (Doug Scheuerell), and along with a few other compositions he gave me an excercise to practice the 2-1-3 style terekete. The excersize is "terekete taka take terekete" played "2-1-k-3 1-k 2-k 2-1-k-3." Even if I can't learn all the different methods that David has heard, it never hurts to learn more!
baraka
Re:Perspectives on playing "terekete" May 04, 2003 12:16 a.m.

Just a note: The composition your playing has a lot to do with what type of terekete you use. Learn the both daniel san because both ways can come in handy. In my opinion if you want a STRONG extended role use 2 fingers (e.g. Dha tere/ketetaka/terekete). If you want a a quick terekete (followed by a sur or kinar stroke) use the 3 finger technique.
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