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Warren
Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Dec 30, 2002 09:31 a.m.

Shawn, thanks for telling us about http://www.dovesong.com There is a lot of Tabla solo mp3's and Indian music mp3's on that site!!
Shawn
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Dec 30, 2002 10:17 p.m.

Hi,

Yeah, it's an amazing site. Lots of old no-longer-available recordings are on there. Some very valuable Indian classical music, and others. . I've downloaded over 400 megs :-)

It's a site that deserves our support. .

Shawn
http://www.percussionist.net
Warren
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Dec 31, 2002 11:59 a.m.

No kidding what a huge selection, if anyone doesn't have much of an Indian music collection here is a complete and thorough collection free.
I grabbed all the tabla solos , then I went for the instrumentals which was over 400 meg , Next and the most will be all the vocalist.
The only thing is that most of the recordings so far are taken from albums so I should send a note to the Website owner how to fix them.
Here's a fix which anyone can do
1. Download the latest Goldwave audio shareware program (search internet)
2. Also download the Lame mp3 converter from the same site.
3. Open any mp3 file then run the pop crackle filter at the default 1000 setting.
It really does a good job, after that you can save the file back as mp3 or 16bit signed stereo wav. for a standard audio CD.
It cleans up about 90% of the noise, some sound almost perfect .
There is a noise reduction tool but it's very tricky to use , if anyone comes up with the settings please let us know.
Gold wave is a good product , I really need to buy it.
It will run free for a couple of months then it starts popping up reminders constantly.
Anyway it's great for any recordings.

Shawn (Dec 30, 2002 10:17 p.m.):
Hi,

Yeah, it's an amazing site. Lots of old no-longer-available recordings are on there. Some very valuable Indian classical music, and others. . I've downloaded over 400 megs :-)

It's a site that deserves our support. .
bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 01, 2003 10:26 a.m.

I thought it was curious that the Ustad Alla Rakha segment of the Gottlieb collection was neatly excluded from 'Mr. Dovesong's list of important Indian percussion artist performances. (as is Zakir Hussain). Further investigation reveals that 'Dovesong' also has a problem with Ravi Shankar (whose music is also excluded from anywhere on this site). Is it common to students of Ali Akbar Khan to be influenced to such a blatant discrimanations?
I am also a little uncomfortable with this site's "spiritual vs. 'non-spiritual music" manifesto and the obvious copyright infringements.
Bill
Warren (Dec 30, 2002 09:31 a.m.):
Shawn, thanks for telling us about http://www.dovesong.com There is a lot of Tabla solo mp3's and Indian music mp3's on that site!!
Warren
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 01, 2003 03:26 p.m.

Shhhhhhh! Quiet, wait til I get the rest downloaded

bill (Jan 01, 2003 10:26 a.m.):
I thought it was curious that the Ustad Alla Rakha segment of the Gottlieb collection was neatly excluded from 'Mr. Dovesong's list of important Indian percussion artist performances. (as is Zakir Hussain). Further investigation reveals that 'Dovesong' also has a problem with Ravi Shankar (whose music is also excluded from anywhere on this site). Is it common to students of Ali Akbar Khan to be influenced to such a blatant discrimanations?
I am also a little uncomfortable with this site's "spiritual vs. 'non-spiritual music" manifesto and the obvious copyright infringements.
Bill
Warren (Dec 30, 2002 09:31 a.m.):
Shawn, thanks for telling us about http://www.dovesong.com There is a lot of Tabla solo mp3's and Indian music mp3's on that site!!
Warren
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 03, 2003 10:42 a.m.

Bill,
Zakir is very strict about his recording use and also over his fathers. Another very touching person would be Ravi Shankar . Could it be that this is why there are no Zakir/Rakha/Shankar recordings?


bill (Jan 01, 2003 10:26 a.m.):
I thought it was curious that the Ustad Alla Rakha segment of the Gottlieb collection was neatly excluded from 'Mr. Dovesong's list of important Indian percussion artist performances. (as is Zakir Hussain). Further investigation reveals that 'Dovesong' also has a problem with Ravi Shankar (whose music is also excluded from anywhere on this site). Is it common to students of Ali Akbar Khan to be influenced to such a blatant discrimanations?
I am also a little uncomfortable with this site's "spiritual vs. 'non-spiritual music" manifesto and the obvious copyright infringements.
Bill
Warren (Dec 30, 2002 09:31 a.m.):
Shawn, thanks for telling us about http://www.dovesong.com There is a lot of Tabla solo mp3's and Indian music mp3's on that site!!
Shawn
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 03, 2003 02:11 p.m.

It is very true they probably have a lot more control over their music than other Indian musicians. .
Shawn
http://www.percussionist.net
Bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 03, 2003 05:00 p.m.

When I first came across the Dovesong site about a year or so ago there was a correspondence in the 'letters to dovesong' link. Someone was asking why there were no Ravi Shankar clips. (the letter has since been removed) As I recall Don Robertson's reply was quite candid about his view that Ravi Shankar's music was less than "positive". Also as I recall, Robertson's reasons had less to do with any technical shortcomings on Raviji's part and seemed to allude more to the shortcomings in the Pandit's lifestyle.
I did find a post to the RMIC newsgroup Robertson wrote in 1993 in which he quotes his Ustad, Ali Akbar Khan:
"Don Robertson" <p00435@psilink.com> writes
"Khansahib told some of us, many years ago, something like this:
" Of my father's knowledge, Annapurna has 75%, I have 50%, and Ravi
Shankar has 25%".
I have no problem with the fact that someone doesn't think much of Ravi Shankar. What's a turn-off to me are Robertson's reasons and his positive vs. negative b.s. theories which are no more than a lame attempt to apply christian ethics to the psuedo appreciation of Indian classical music. It is my conviction that Roberson excluded the Alla Rakha portion of the otherwise complete selection of the Gottlieb tapes for reasons of Alla Rakha's association with Ravi Shankar and Robertson's low esteem of the Ravi Shankar circle of musicians.
Curiously, any and all statements concerning the copyright policies of Dovesong.com or it's parent , Dovesong Foundation, an international christian mission organization are either not for public view or are currently innaccessable.
Just for the record, downloadable MP3's are heavily compressed. OK for most users who download generic pop and rock singles but not so great for the subtilties of acoustic music. If you want the Gottlieb tapes, get the book with the tapes (complete and uncompressed). I believe the second edition is still very much available and well worth the investment.
Bill
Russ
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 03, 2003 07:18 p.m.

Bill;
I just had to ask you what you meant by the application of christian ethics to pseudo appreciation of ICM. I'm quite happy to be Christian, and I've appreciated both ICM and Ravi Shankar's music for about the last 35 years. That's one reason why I'm learning sitar in earnest from a disciple of a senior disciple of Raviji. Those people who are comfortable going thru life with blinders on and letting others think for them will do so, regardless of what religion they profess!
Just my humble opinion here. . . .
bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 03, 2003 11:22 p.m.

Dear Russ,
I said nothing about applying christian ethics to the appreciation of christain music.
Otherwise, I believe the rest of the world has had about enough of the christian "appreciation" of non-christian cultures. Frankly I find it terribly hard to believe that any professed christian could be so opened-minded to complex rationalities of Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, and Bhuddist cultures that he or she would further dare to profess any substantive knowledge whatsoever of Indian music. This is not to suggest in any way that you yourself are not an open-minded, committed, and attentive student. More power to you.
Just my humble opinion here. . . .
Bill
Russ
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 04, 2003 08:16 p.m.

Thanks Bill. I guess that comes from the fact that I spent much of my early life overseas, primarily the orient. Getting out of the west does give one a different point of view (and appreciation) of other places and ideas. I won't speak for others, but I believe one has to listen with the heart as well as the ears to know best! There are more connections between Hindu and Christianity than most people will ever know, but we're way off topic now. Good place to end this particular thread? Jai Sri!
Russ
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 04, 2003 08:19 p.m.

Thanks Bill. I guess that comes from the fact that I spent much of my early life overseas, primarily the orient. Getting out of the west does give one a different point of view (and appreciation) of other places and ideas. I won't speak for others, but I believe one has to listen with the heart as well as the ears to know best! There are more connections between Hindu and Christianity than most people will ever know, but we're way off topic now. Good place to end this particular thread? Jai Sri!
Warren
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 05, 2003 11:54 p.m.

But wait Ravi Shankar is satanic and that's why he's not on dovesong, i'm confused.
Well anyway maybe your right that whoever this person is that does the dovesong website doesn't like Shankar that makes enough sense to me.
By the way I can believe Ali Akbar Khan would say that about Ravi he also said his son Aashish does not play there gharana. Which begs the question what gharana is he playing?

Russ (Jan 04, 2003 08:19 p.m.):
Thanks Bill. I guess that comes from the fact that I spent much of my early life overseas, primarily the orient. Getting out of the west does give one a different point of view (and appreciation) of other places and ideas. I won't speak for others, but I believe one has to listen with the heart as well as the ears to know best! There are more connections between Hindu and Christianity than most people will ever know, but we're way off topic now. Good place to end this particular thread? Jai Sri!
Bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 07:00 a.m.

[quote]Warren (Jan 05, 2003 11:54 p.m.):
But wait Ravi Shankar is satanic and that's why he's not on dovesong, i'm confused.
Well anyway maybe your right that whoever this person is that does the dovesong website doesn't like Shankar that makes enough sense to me.
By the way I can believe Ali Akbar Khan would say that about Ravi he also said his son Aashish does not play there gharana. Which begs the question what gharana is he playing?
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You're confused. .?! Is it possible your reading and comprehension skills are as bad as your grammar?
Bill
Swara
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 07:47 a.m.

You're confused. .?! Is it possible your reading and comprehension skills are as bad as your grammar?
Bill[/quote]

No Bill,please stop it. This is stupid!
Pete
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 09:57 a.m.

Bill, you sound like a person who carries a ton of chips on his shoulder. Please do not destroy the friendly spirit of this forum.
Bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 10:53 a.m.

No Bill,please stop it. This is stupid![/quote]

Dear Swara,
The only thing stupid to this point in the thread are Warren's asinine and irrelevant comments.
Bill
Bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 11:16 a.m.

Pete (Jan 06, 2003 09:57 a.m.):
Bill, you sound like a person who carries a ton of chips on his shoulder. Please do not destroy the friendly spirit of this forum.

Dear Pete,
I felt I was being both informative and polite until Warren 'chipped' in with his "satanic" blather.
When a comment was made about how everyone "should support dovesong.com" for it's free MP3's I disagreed and gave valid support to my reasons.
I hope this is and will continue to be a true and honest 'FORUM', and not degenerate into a mindless support group that will not accept an opposing view of relevant issues.
with friendship,
Bill
Russ
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 02:31 p.m.

Hi Warren;
In doing a real fast run through of the various websites citing Aashish's bio, it looks they they are all saying the same things, ver batim (stealing, actually). I also can hear that his sarode playing is different from his dad's, but he still maintains he plays in the senia gharana tradition.
My opinion is that his music could have become contaminated due to his other collaborations in fusion style ("The Third Eye" group and others). To my ears, it does sound somewhat more "western". Ask Aimee (down there in Austin)if she knows, since she is a disciple of his.
TheMonk
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 06, 2003 09:49 p.m.

Was Warren being sarcastic? I thought he was, and anyway, lets not get up in arms about religion here, lets take all these petty arguements over to bullshit.com and leave this tabla forum flame free.
Bill
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 07, 2003 12:41 a.m.

TheMonk (Jan 06, 2003 09:49 p.m.):
Was Warren being sarcastic? I thought he was, and anyway, lets not get up in arms about religion here, lets take all these petty arguements over to bullshit.com and leave this tabla forum flame free.

Dear Monk,
The topic of this thread was never about religion per se. It was about dovesong.com and the inexplicable exclusion of the late Ustad Alla Rakha from a list of recordings that was edited/censored to suit the owner's semi-religious policies.
Others may object more to your use of profanity than to the tone of my response.
Warren's 'sarcasm' was not only irrelevant, it was also particularly offensive to me.
Sincerely,
Bill
TheMonk
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 07, 2003 11:28 p.m.

Why is it relevent that people would be more offended by my use of profanity, than by the tone of your words?

If you were offended by Warrens lighthearted sarcasm, then why didnt you email him about it rather than clutering all this up?
baraka
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 09, 2003 01:34 a.m.

OK. Everyone who REALLY knows classical music. And I mean REALLY knows it, would agree that Ravi Shankar is not that great of a player (as compared to Rias Khan, Vilayat Khan,. .etc). I know he has done a lot to bring classical music to the west but he is just not all that great. Sorry to burst your bubble. Allah Rakha and Zakir on the other hand are phenoms.
baraka
Re:Hey Dovesong has a lot of downloads!! Jan 09, 2003 01:37 a.m.

Bill,


Please take that christian crap outta here. Im christian and also an Indian. Don't bring religion ito this.
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