INDIAN MUSIC FORUM ARCHIVES: Sitar Forum: Gats and Teen taal

 

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DM
Gats and Teen taal May 27, 2003 03:09 p.m.


Does any one have recording of the basic Gats of Ragas?

I would be interested in Bhopali and Kafi ragas.

Also I like to have recording of the Tabla teen taal so that I can practice my Sitar with the tabla background.

Anyone have these?

Thanks,

Russ
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 27, 2003 06:20 p.m.


Last question first. If you have a cassette player, you can buy a tape loop of teen tal from http://www.batish.com/. Costs $8.00 per tape, not bad. Recommend starting with a medium speed first, but you can buy any speed you like.

As for gats, they are almost always played as a part of the raag. Also, there are many gats possible for any one raag. This is something that took me a while to understand. To hear the gat, I would buy the whole raga. Not sure if you can get just a gat by itself. Anybody else ever seen that?

Remco
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 28, 2003 01:14 p.m.


Hi,

You might also have a listen to the files on Patrick Moutal's site:
http://homepage.mac.com/patrickmoutal/macmoutal/rag.html

Execellent site BTW, lot of great movies, MP3 etc.

Peace,

Remco

Rohit
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 28, 2003 02:44 p.m.


If you need a good teentaal tabla recording to practice with, you should try going to the tabla forum on this site. Contact any tabla player there and im sure he will record one on MP3 for you. I would do it myself but since i am not that good of a tabla player...well u understand...

Best wishes,
Rohit

DM
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 28, 2003 02:56 p.m.


Thanks. I will check the tabla forum. I need the medium teen taal to practice with.

The tape is a little cumbersome. I would prefer a mp3 file.

Patrick Moutals page has vilambit teen taal and drut teen taal. I know drut is fast teen taal not sure what vilambit means, slow teen taal??

DM

Remco
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 28, 2003 03:29 p.m.


Yep
Vilambit is slow
What I've done: I've made a Multi in my Akai S6000 sampler using all the different hit of the table and programmed a teental cycle in Cubase.

Peace,

Remco

Amitava
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 30, 2003 12:11 p.m.


While tabla recordings maay work for certain conditions, I would highly recommend the newer tabla machines. Lars sells them - as does Buckinham - and the Ali Abar school. If you know anyone visiting India, they may be able to get you one for a little/lot less. The new units have sampled sounds - which sound decent. The pitch and tempo control are great as well. True they cost .... but are worth it.

A

DM
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 30, 2003 02:52 p.m.


Can you recommend the make/model of these new table machines?

It is possible I might be able to get one from India. What is your experience in terms of price?

Russ
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 30, 2003 02:57 p.m.


Amitava;
I've wondered about these newer tabla machines. I've got the older Riyaz master unit (the white metal box), sounds OK but you can't improvise or vary it that much. How do the newer ones compare with the Riyaz, and what type do you recommend?
DaveP
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 30, 2003 05:57 p.m.


I'd recommend the new Radel Digi-60s tabla machine. It has 60 preset taals, 10 of which can be edited and two can be created from scratch. Each of the two drums has its own speaker and the sound is clear and pleasant.
There is a stereo line out so that the two drums can be independantly mixed and processed through a mixer if desired. Tempo, pitch and bayan depth can be stored in memory.
The only drawback is that the tempo can only be changed in large steps - typically 20bpm, but in practice is not so bad. If you connect it to the Radel lehera machine (Sunadamala) then it can be "slaved" at finer tempos. I've also used a Riyaz Master but sold it in preference to the Digi-60s.
Matt
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 30, 2003 06:33 p.m.


Another thing you might want to try is one of the various versions of ACID. You can download the free "express" version at www.sonicfoundry.com, then search the web for free ACID tabla loops or purchase loop CDs. I'm using version 4.0 with a bunch of different source CDs. With a little skill you can create some pretty cool tabla tracks at different tempos and pitches.
Lars
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 31, 2003 04:03 a.m.


I'll have to look into the Radel machines, typically they have been Ok with their functionality but poor in sound quality so maybe they're better now? The Riyaz tabla machine is basically the same Russ, they have changed their tanpura machine to all digital. I like the Riyaz Master Tabla machine the best though although it is not quite perfect. Most of them have a slight hum. But they're great for practice. Using a computer is kind of awkward for me as then you have to get up to adjust your sound and tempo, etc.
Another alternative is a prerecorded sound CD, look for some to be produced by me within a year, God willing as well as a lot of other instructional surprises in the sitar area.

Lars

Remco
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 31, 2003 06:51 a.m.


I came to Indian Music through computer/electronic music: I play ambient/soundscape on an instrument called the Chapman Stick. Since I use a looper, I tend to create dronelike music (think tampura-ish). I use the PC as a backing, live I use a sequencer. I'm really trying to get hold of the new Swarplug, to see if it will help me with my sitarstudy, since all the components are already here.

Peace,

Remco

Neal
Re:Gats and Teen taal May 31, 2003 09:37 a.m.


Most of them have a slight hum.

Thanks for mentioning that Lars, as I thought mine might be defective. I saw my teachers new Tanpura machine he purchased from www.sitarsetc.com - NICE!

Another alternative is a prerecorded sound CD, look for some to be produced by me within a year, God willing as well as a lot of other instructional surprises in the sitar area.

You're still THE MAN, LARS!

Matt
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 01, 2003 10:07 a.m.


I purchased one the new Raagini's from Lars' site - I absolutely love it.

Nothing beats a good ol' metronome for practicing sapats, murchanas, etc.

Remco - a Stick, huh? I've thought that might be something to get into someday. Sounds like your making the kind of music that I love. If you've got a CD available, I'd be interested - drop me an email at mkalles@inav.net. Thanks!

Lars
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 01, 2003 03:47 p.m.


Hey Remco, why don't you give us the link to your site again? I lost it and wanted to link to it......you and Matt have similar musical taste, very nice stuff.....

Lars

DaveP
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 01, 2003 05:27 p.m.


Lars,

Just to let you know that the Radel Digi- 60s has a new and much better soundchip (as well as a newly styled ABS case) than the original Digi-60. I know because I have both. The tabla sustain is longer but the bayan sound is still slightly electronic.

Remco
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 01, 2003 05:41 p.m.


Okidoki, not much sitar-stuff on there I'm afraid

www.editionblue.com

Peace,

Remco

Remco
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 15, 2003 07:55 a.m.


Hi Everyone,
I am thinking about buying a Boss SP 303: it's a phrase sampler. You have the abillity to import in wav/aiff sounds (tabla/tampura) and program sequences. The only thing I don't know if it's able to play "weird" timesignature (since it's aimed at the dancemarket). But it's a lot cheaper than buying a seperate tabla and tampuramachine. Are there any sitarplayers out there that also work in the dancefield and have experience with this device?

Peace,

Remco

Russ
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 15, 2003 11:16 p.m.


Remco;
Weird time signatures like half-beats and 13 beat rythmns are rare anyway.
Just had a thought about Ashwin Batish. His first album/CD was very much dance beat. He might be a good one to contact directly at batish.com.

Shanti....

Remco
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jun 16, 2003 04:10 p.m.


Well...I've discovered you can string several patterns together. They are all in 4/4, but seven paterns of 4 is four patterns of seven (errrr.... I think....)

Peace,

Remco

Rohit
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jul 18, 2003 06:51 p.m.


i know this is a pretty old topic but man! Patrick Moutal's site is one of the best i have seen! especially the vids! You really have to visit this site, its AMAZING!! Thanks giving the site to us Remco!
Russ
Re:Gats and Teen taal Jul 18, 2003 07:25 p.m.


Ditto. I've downloaded a ton of stuff. Thanks Remco!
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