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Dave (bolcut)
Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 10, 2002 04:19 p.m.


I am a tabla player in Indianapolis looking for an accompaniest (just kidding:) to perform hindustani music. Preferably someone with formal training (I have plenty of opportunities to do contemporary/fusion stuff here), and preferrably someone who loves Vilayat Khan as much as I do. (yes I saw all of your post re: Vilayat, and no I don't get it--my Vilayat concert recordings are my favorite, especially Vilayat and Keramatulla in concert)
Lars
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 10, 2002 11:14 p.m.


Ohhhhhhhhh.......such sensitive fans! It's all apples and oranges, everybody has their preferences.
Hey, posted this on another thread but try the newsgroup: rec.music.indian.classical
and post that you're looking for someone to play with. I found someone who played tabla that way here in Seattle....
Dave (bolcut)
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 14, 2002 01:58 p.m.


Hey somebody had to stick up for THE BEST SITARIST THAT EVER LIVED!!! ), I love Nikhil Banerjee too, but he didn't need any more support here. Ultimately it is totally subjective, but what I like about Vilayat are his mind-boggling command of laya and his wit (in his playing). I really like Buddhadev on the the sarod too though, and he's maybe similar in that he really shows a lot in terms of laya as opposed to a more strictly lyrical player like Ali Akbar or Ravi Shankar. I guess it makes sense that a tabla player would like instrumentalists that like to play with laya a lot.
Thanks for the info.
Dave
Peterc
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 14, 2002 07:08 p.m.


Perhaps it is not anyone's place to say this, , particularly this humble one's with oh, so many of my own faults, but:

Peace and meditation... Indian music.
Lighten up a bit - huh?
Sit back, have a cup of tea and enjoy the music.
Heeeeyyyy - does anyone REALLY want to have to come back for another life here?
I don't!
Cast off those imprisoning chains of temper and groooooove with Brahma.
Be mellow, people.
Leave Yama to his perpetual bad temper.

Let's hear how great this concert was... and so on.
"V. Khan was great". "Ravi was amazing". Debu was on top form". "Mani Lal blew our socks off".

And now... the Zen answer we've all been waiting for is.. is... is:
The sound of one hand clapping is... wait for it... here it comes...
"Cla" (grin)

With love and admiration for you all,
PeterC the laughing Buddha.

Lars
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 14, 2002 09:53 p.m.


Buddadev is my most favorite sarod player.......and well, yes the rest is subjective I guess..............


EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO NIKHIL!!!
I channeled him this morning and he told me to confront the evil VK empire and to defend his honor even if it means YET another incarnation!! Brilliant light everawherrrreee.......whoooaaaa yaaaaa...better do the the sign now, here it comes.....
Spectacles
Testicles
Wallet and Watch

Ok, now that's better.........no more 'Gakayki' attacks.....Maiha(i)r is better than yourha(i)r.......naa naa naa naa naaaaa naaaaa (makes loud gastric sounds as he departs to hit the 'post' key)

Peterc
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 14, 2002 10:23 p.m.


"The mud elephant... when it wades through the Ganges... leaves no tracks"
Old Indian Thugii saying...

Yeah, that 's what I meant... lighten up... yesh...
Niiiiice!

louis
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 14, 2002 11:54 p.m.


David,.
What live performances of Vilayat Khan with Keramatullah Khan are you talking about?
Like you said, Vilayat's laya precision is incredibly strong. I also noticed that he is far to be indifferent to the quality of the tabla player he is playing with.
I do have a lot of VK recordings, but no "live" one!
Do you know Shanta Prasad ? (i have some very exclusive recordings from him....)
Regards
Dave (bolcut)
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 16, 2002 03:57 p.m.


I don't buy that about the mud elephant leaving no tracks--maybe the water's just too muddy to see them. I don't truly believe in "the best" as a quantifiable statement--clearly it's an opinion. Just as the idea that classical indian music is a religious phenomenon. Know that I have no alternate motivation (like to bolster my gharana), more like I'm arguing for Indian classical music that remains inaccessible to non-classically minded musicians. Vilayat is not accessible because he doesn't care to be. This could not be said of Ravi. I don't mean to offend anyone, but if all I ever did was compliment everyone, what information could I really convey? I'm not advocating those jerks that just try to ruin message boards by preaching hate, but I do think it's ok to speak your opinions, especially if they're constructive. I have too performances of terrible sound quality that you might be interested in. Both Calcutta concert recording from circa mid-70's I believe. One is Miyaki Todi, the other is Puriya Kalyan. Both are excellent (except for the recording quality which again, sucks). Keramatulla also shines as THE BEST TABLA PLAYER EVER (just kidding!). I've been meaning to copy these to my computer and try to clean these up a bit. I have more non-commericial recordings as well that you might like. I'll go home tonight and see what I can find. How are you guys distributing this stuff is there one person I can send them too? My email is tablatouch@yahoo.com.
Russ
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 16, 2002 06:45 p.m.


"Who is it? Who? Dave? Dave's not here".
-Cheech and Chong

Doesn't apply to anything here. Just flashed back to that goofy dialogue from way back when......my counter-culture youth.

Dave, any constructive criticism or opinion is fine here, even if some of us don't totally agree with it. But I am wondering. Why does VK choose to not be open with his music? Is his gharana a closed system? Maybe that's part of the reason why westerners have problems with his music? What do you think?

Bob
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 17, 2002 11:27 a.m.


I am a beginning sitar player in Cincinnati -- my level of skill is not high enough that you would want to play with me at this point. However -- I am looking for a sitar teacher in this area. Do you know of anyone? Maybe in another year after I have a little more sitar skill and assuming I can find time to practice, I may be getting a tabla set. Do you know anyone in this area (yourself maybe?) who teaches?
Bob
Bob
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 17, 2002 11:27 a.m.


I am a beginning sitar player in Cincinnati -- my level of skill is not high enough that you would want to play with me at this point. However -- I am looking for a sitar teacher in this area. Do you know of anyone? Maybe in another year after I have a little more sitar skill and assuming I can find time to practice, I may be getting a tabla set. Do you know anyone in this area (yourself maybe?) who teaches?
Bob
Laughing Bhudda
Re:Sitarist/Sarodist/Sarangist/Violinist?wanted May 18, 2002 12:22 a.m.



Dave (bolcut) (May 16, 2002 03:57 p.m.):
I don't buy that about the mud elephant leaving no tracks--maybe the water's just too muddy to see them. I don't truly believe in "the best" as a quantifiable statement--clearly it's an opinion. Just as the idea that classical indian music is a religious phenomenon. Know that I have no alternate motivation (like to bolster my gharana), more like I'm arguing for Indian classical music that remains inaccessible to non-classically minded musicians. Vilayat is not accessible because he doesn't care to be. This could not be said of Ravi. I don't mean to offend anyone, but if all I ever did was compliment everyone, what information could I really convey? I'm not advocating those jerks that just try to ruin message boards by preaching hate, but I do think it's ok to speak your opinions, especially if they're constructive. I have too performances of terrible sound quality that you might be interested in. Both Calcutta concert recording from circa mid-70's I believe. One is Miyaki Todi, the other is Puriya Kalyan. Both are excellent (except for the recording quality which again, sucks). Keramatulla also shines as THE BEST TABLA PLAYER EVER (just kidding!). I've been meaning to copy these to my computer and try to clean these up a bit. I have more non-commericial recordings as well that you might like. I'll go home tonight and see what I can find. How are you guys distributing this stuff is there one person I can send them too? My email is tablatouch@yahoo.com.

Well, this is sort of a "light" reply... the mud elephant quote is a fake fakir joke from a '60s Fugs album called "It crawled into my hand - honest" and is ascribed therein to a character called "Sarseuvyarnuckup" said with a very deep Inidan accent. When transated into plain English this becomes "Source of your knockup"... quite funny really when one considers what Maharishi was apparently trying on with the Beatles girlfriends at the time the record was made!
"I don't buy it" was, of course Long John Nabel's famous ending comment to everything unexplainable in the way of otherwise inexplicable phenomena in his famous NY radio show of the '60s.
To say someone is "The best" as an opinion is OK. To aggressively stand up for someone in the face of very gentle feeling that the music isn't their particular favorite may easily be construed as a mild form of fanaticism but perhaps more charitably could be ascribed to the rawness of youth. A little less than desirable maybe, but one imagines that, through the years, this, too, shall pass in the light of experience... just as age and experience rubs the raw edges of one's personality until it's like a piece of old sea glass washed up on a beach. Round and smooth with the sharp edges having been worn away.
Indian music is as steeped in religion as the works of Bach, Handel, Beethoven and many other Western classical composers.
This isn't opinion, but historical fact. It is perhaps just because the average Westerner has very little idea of what is of religious significance to Indians that some may suspect that this could actually be an opinion.
In neither culture are the musical roots exclusively religious, but they are clearly and deeply evident.
Love and laughter...
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