Hi. I've been shown how to count 16 beats - using 1 finger per beat on the palm, fingers and wrist, with a clap/wave on 1,5,9,13. However, i am not so sure about other talas. All other stuff that isn't in 16 I count on the points and segments of the fingers on one hand using my thumb (which in total adds up to 16). Is this correct - how do you mark the talis/khalis with this second system?
[quote]TRKTDHA (May 23, 2004 11:17 p.m.):
For example in Dadra, which has 6 beat cycle, counted
as:
1 2 3 4 5 6
Dha Dhi Na Dha Tu Na
Clap count count Khali count count or
0 2 3 X 5 6
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'X' is generally read as sam or a clap and 'O' is khali or wave. Thus for dadra:
1 2 3 4 5 6
Dha Dhi Na Dha Tu Na
Clap count count Khali count count or
X 2 3 O 5 6
(this is another example, like ektal where khali is located on a resonating bol.)
A better example might be rupak where the sam begins with khali (wave):
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
tin tin na dhin na dhin na
O 2 3 X 5 X 7
Khali, count, count, clap, count, clap, count.
wave, indx., middle, clap, indx., clap, indx.
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"Trkttak Dha Trkttaka Dhagena Tina Kadnak
Trkttak Dhanaghena Dhati tinakina "
Explain "Kadnak"? And the difference between "Trkttak" and "Trkttaka" ?
Aanaddha
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A.
Hi. yeah, im aware of those structures - i just thought that there was a counting system based on the fingers as there is for teental. i assume its just vocal though.
cheers for your contributions
Oli,
You can count the number of beats for any cycle with your fingers (or toes) any way you want. The only correct or traditional way of keeping taal precisely is clapping waving and counting. This is the same for both vocal and instrumental, light, classical, Hindustani, Carnatic and instrumental solo.
"Trkttak Dha Trkttaka Dhagena Tina Kadnak
Trkttak Dhanaghena Dhati tinakina "
Explain "Kadnak"? And the difference between "Trkttak" and "Trkttaka" ?
Aanaddha
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ps. I don't know how you do it but my word doc compresses all the spaces when I cut and paste??
Am I missing an HTML setting?Anyway I hope it's readable.
A.
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Thanks Aanaddha for pointing the mistake, It has been a while when I wrote table bols in proper format. Its a coincidence you cited the example of Rupak as the kayada, I mentioned is in Teesri jaati, played in Farrukhabad and Ajarda. In fact the bol is TRKT TAK in either case and difference id due to typo.
Kadnak =
1. K (bayan)
2. Ti (dayan) with all three fingers beside index finger
3. Na (usual)
4. K (bayan)
TRKTDHA (May 26, 2004 01:53 a.m.):
Thanks Aanaddha for pointing the mistake, It has been a while when I wrote table bols in proper format. Its a coincidence you cited the example of Rupak as the kayada, I mentioned is in Teesri jaati, played in Farrukhabad and Ajarda. In fact the bol is TRKT TAK in either case and difference id due to typo.
Kadnak =
1. K (bayan)
2. Ti (dayan) with all three fingers beside index finger
3. Na (usual)
4. K (bayan)
I am sure you would like the kayda.
That's a great kaida - thanks!
Kadnak =
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"2. Ti (dayan) with all three fingers beside index finger" -
Is that "Ti" as in a resonant 'Di' on the dayan or non-resonant "Ti" as 're' in 'Kerenak' ?
Its a Teentaal kayda in teesri jaati means resembling roopak taal ( ti ti na dhi na dhi na), I am re writting , if it helps
TrktTak Dha TrktTak Dhagena Tina Kdnak
TrktTak Dhana Ghina DhaTi Dhina Ghina
Khali . . .
TrktTak Ta TrktTak TaKena Tina Kdnak
TrktTak Dhana Ghina DhaTi Tina Kina
Hope it helps. .Old posting in response of other questions, shows how to play different bols. Please note that first Dha on first line uses user two middle fingers on Bayan, for Dhagena, use middle finger on bayan first followed by left index finger for Ge.
You are spot on. As the knowledge has been passed on through oral tradition, there is always a minor difference in pronounciation depending on what language in India one speaks.
