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Warren
Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 10, 2004 02:21 a.m.


http://www.sugandh.com/tina/
http://tablaplayer.com/photo/index.html
http://www.arts.wa.gov/progFA/AsianFest/Diwali/faAsianFestdiwali7.html
http://www.themusicmagazine.com/feature2.html
http://www.anuradhapal.com/
http://hollywoodrecords.go.com/tinasugandh/
http://199.74.239.15/udayavani/features.asp?news=1&contentid=16479&lang=1&cat_id=426
algernon
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 10, 2004 03:35 a.m.


Thanks for the links Warren! High profile women in the field of tabla playing are few and far between, and it's refreshing to see this collection of links to some of their sites.

I had the pleasure of seeing Anuradha Pal perform a couple of weeks ago with Deepak Ram, and I was very impressed with her. Quite a talented young woman, I'm sure that she has a great future ahead of her.

Aanaddha
Re:Tabla Babes May 10, 2004 10:13 a.m.


These women are all artists and professional musicians. Further categorization constitutes an unnecessary disservice to their names, their talent, their obvious dedication, and to the profession as a whole.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

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Suki
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 10, 2004 11:12 a.m.


I have heard that this young girl Rimpa Shiv is an amazing Tabla player.

Watch out for her in the future folks.

Tabla master's have been speaking of her talents.

Warren
Re:Tabla Babes May 10, 2004 01:08 p.m.


I've always enjoyed and been impressed by women that play tabla. And you have to face the facts (sexual inuendo aside) that as a man having a female partner who is knowledgable in music especially tabla is an exhilirating thought. So please pardon my descriptive title, it was meant lightly. I will strive to be more politically correct in the future.


Aanaddha (May 10, 2004 10:13 a.m.):
These women are all artists and professional musicians. Further categorization constitutes an unnecessary disservice to their names, their talent, their obvious dedication, and to the profession as a whole.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

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Aanaddha
Re:Tabla Babes May 10, 2004 02:16 p.m.


[quote]Warren (May 10, 2004 01:08 p.m.):
I've always enjoyed and been impressed by women that play tabla. And you have to face the facts (sexual inuendo aside) that as a man having a female partner who is knowledgable in music especially tabla is an exhilirating thought. So please pardon my descriptive title, it was meant lightly. I will strive to be more politically correct in the future.

Warren,
Politcal correctness aside, a person who believes that women need special recognition for their efforts or natural talent in any human endeavor isn't living in the 21st century. Having anyone as a partner who is knowledgable in music especially tabla is an exhilirating thought.
Secondly, the inclusion of women and minorities as a sub-group to the one which you belong is simply another form of not-so-clever subjugation.

I don't believe that beauty contests and standards of professionalism mix except perhaps in Las Vegas, or Reno, Nevada. Perhaps that is where you are from.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

Dr JJ
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 10, 2004 02:59 p.m.


aadanaha,

You need to lighten up...or you may suffer from a stroke, hypertension or heart attack boy..!

VJDirge
Re:Tabla Babes May 10, 2004 03:18 p.m.


No, I am going to check these sites out because Anarudha is very respected and these are probably some of the most talented....

wow these babes ARE hot!


Aanaddha (May 10, 2004 02:52 p.m.):
[quote]Warren (May 10, 2004 01:08 p.m.):
I've always enjoyed and been impressed by women that play tabla. And you have to face the facts (sexual inuendo aside) that as a man having a female partner who is knowledgable in music especially tabla is an exhilirating thought. So please pardon my descriptive title, it was meant lightly. I will strive to be more politically correct in the future.

Warren,
Politcal correctness aside, a person who believes that women need special recognition for their efforts or natural talent in any human endeavor isn't living in the 21st century. Having anyone as a partner who is knowledgable in music especially tabla is an exhilirating thought.
Secondly, the inclusion of women and minorities as a sub-group to the one which you belong is simply another form of not-so-clever subjugation.

I don't believe that beauty contests and standards of professionalism mix except perhaps in Las Vegas, or Reno, Nevada. Perhaps that is where you are from.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha


rod
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 10, 2004 05:52 p.m.


Gosh...that Tina drives me to distraction....
some chic sites. girls will be girls....or should I say, chicks will be chicks!
Jason
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 11, 2004 11:10 a.m.


Even though Tina is supremely attractive she could at least take them boots off, She can't even cross her legs and sit properly at the tabla.

Aanaddha what do you think? I think you should email her and tell this naughty girl off.

Jimmy
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 13, 2004 04:52 p.m.


Anaddhaa, I am not in agreement with you here, and I feel that a few others arent either and for good reason, yet they have failed to justify it properly. I do agree that there is no need for sub-sections within tabla players or any other musicians these days. But firstly - don't you agree that the members of this forum are mostly male? And secondly, don't you agree that female tabla players are never discussed in the forum. Sectioning female musicians off obviously wasn't the intention of the creator of this topic, it was rather to give these individuals the recognition they are due. Would you rather less people did this? I am grateful for this post, as I'm sure many others are, and I am going to check out the links. Regarding the title 'Tabla Babes' - it can be taken lightly, as we are living in the 21st century. I don't think it takes anything away from their value or respect as artists. J
Jimmy
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 13, 2004 04:58 p.m.



Jimmy (May 13, 2004 04:52 p.m.):
Anaddhaa, I am not in agreement with you here, and I feel that a few others arent either and for good reason, yet they have failed to justify it properly. I do agree that there is no need for sub-sections within tabla players or any other musicians these days. But firstly - don't you agree that the members of this forum are mostly male? And secondly, don't you agree that female tabla players are never discussed in the forum. Sectioning female musicians off obviously wasn't the intention of the creator of this topic, it was rather to give these individuals the recognition they are due. Would you rather less people did this? I am grateful for this post, as I'm sure many others are, and I am going to check out the links. Regarding the title 'Tabla Babes' - it can be taken lightly, as we are living in the 21st century. I don't think it takes anything away from their value or respect as artists. J

Plus, on just having visited the site of Tina 'Tabla Girl' Sugandh, it is obvious she is using her sexuality as part of her artistic expression, or identity, and there isn't anything wrong with recognising that, in my opinion.

aanaddha
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 13, 2004 06:51 p.m.



Jimmy (May 13, 2004 04:58 p.m.):

Jimmy (May 13, 2004 04:52 p.m.):
Anaddhaa, I am not in agreement with you here, and I feel that a few others arent either and for good reason, yet they have failed to justify it properly. I do agree that there is no need for sub-sections within tabla players or any other musicians these days. But firstly - don't you agree that the members of this forum are mostly male? And secondly, don't you agree that female tabla players are never discussed in the forum. Sectioning female musicians off obviously wasn't the intention of the creator of this topic, it was rather to give these individuals the recognition they are due. Would you rather less people did this? I am grateful for this post, as I'm sure many others are, and I am going to check out the links. Regarding the title 'Tabla Babes' - it can be taken lightly, as we are living in the 21st century. I don't think it takes anything away from their value or respect as artists. J

Plus, on just having visited the site of Tina 'Tabla Girl' Sugandh, it is obvious she is using her sexuality as part of her artistic expression, or identity, and there isn't anything wrong with recognising that, in my opinion.


Jimmy,
Who cares what I think or what they think? I happy that you have the ability to think for yourself. However, I think that you may have yet another opinion if your sister or your daughter or your guru's daughter were the subject of this this thread.
I have met Rimpa Shiv and her father, and I've been fortunate to see her perform. I can assure you that no one in the audience at the time had any thoughts about anything other than her unique abilities, her dedication, and her absolute professionalism.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

ajit.
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 14, 2004 10:55 a.m.



Jimmy (May 13, 2004 04:58 p.m.):
Plus, on just having visited the site of Tina 'Tabla Girl' Sugandh, it is obvious she is using her sexuality as part of her artistic expression, or identity, and there isn't anything wrong with recognising that, in my opinion.

Ah, yes...
... and thus was born the "Revlon Gharana".
I've not heard Tina play a legitimate tabla solo, but (in my humble opinion) her singing is mediocre. I admire her ambition though... hey even Britney Spears is a shrewd businesswoman.

I agree that it's a little silly to compartmentalize talented exponents of tabla unless we appreciate the diversity in styles (playing styles that is, not boots from Saks Fifth Ave).

Rimpa Shiv is an amazing talent. I saw her play a 2 hour solo at the age of 9 and it devastated the small crowd of tabla enthusiasts that were present. She could be a Cambodian dyslexic hermaphrodite, but it would not have mattered... one thing she we all knew for sure: she was a consumate professional with passion and talent to match. Hetal Mehta is also a fantastic Benares exponent, and one of Kishen Maharaj's finer disciples of the younger generation.

Talent is an attractive quality, no doubt and one cannot ignore stage presence. Pantene hair, hats and designer jeans? Dazzling, yes... but in this art form I think very little matters except from the wrists down. Case in point: Mickey Hart once commented that he wanted to meet Ustad Alla Rakha after a particularly moving solo performance. He remarked that he spent a long time looking for him backstage; he didn't even have a good sense of what the master looked like. Why? Because his eyes were transfixed on Abba ji's hands the ENTIRE time during his performance. No mention of his stylish kurta, unfortunately.

- ajit.

tablob
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 14, 2004 03:13 p.m.


"Revlon Gharana" -- hilarious!

I'm no expert but from what I understand, Indian history and culture seems to embrace sexuality. In fact to me the Kama Sutra was more pragmatic than sensual. I think this way of thinking is a fantastic way to look at the world.

In order to embrace our differences (whether it's race, gender, religion - or gharana) we must first RECOGNIZE our differences. And yes, we ALL are different. How we categorize the differences does not matter; there are a million things that make us unique.

I for one LOVE how we are all different, yet the same.

PS: Zakirji was once voted 'sexiest man alive' -- does that bother anyone? Not me.

Tim
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 15, 2004 06:43 a.m.


I agree it�s not the fashion sense but the talent of the Artist�s hands that we admire. But if Ustad's and Pandit's just turn up in Jeans and T Shirts every time to give a performance. There would be some Talk in the crowd about their dress sense.

Even when people go to work dress sense does not effect there ability to do work. But people are expected to dress with shirt and tie, or whatever is suitable for the job. So I think comments about dress sence for tabla artists are valid points, and this is why people have noticed and commented about the issue.

Bad Ustad
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 15, 2004 10:07 a.m.


Nobody can look at the photos on that website and seriously believe that those photos are there to sell anything but her sexuality. This is just your run of the mill Bombay-shmombay fluff featured in the majority of the trashy Indian newspapers. No authentic player of Indian classical music would permit themselves to be featured in a black spandex top and swishy disco poses. Articles like this just beg to be ignored.
Dr JJ
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 15, 2004 04:03 p.m.


"I have met Rimpa Shiv and her father, and I've been fortunate to see her perform. I can assure you that no one in the audience at the time had any thoughts about anything other than her unique abilities, her dedication, and her absolute professionalism."


Aanaddha

You are now a mind reader as well ! You can tell what every audience member was thinking. Wow! Great !

Well I won't give you the trouble to read my mind regarding your contribution....You can read the words instead . "IDIOT". Wake up and see the real world you clown.

Swara
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 15, 2004 04:54 p.m.


DrJJ , I think you are on the wrong forum. Your contribution is useless and idiotic, it surely doesn't belong here. Everybody please ignore this provocation !
Aman
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 17, 2004 01:14 p.m.


From the above posts the name Rimpa Shiv is talked about most passionately. I hope one day I get a chance to see this artist play. Furthermore I hope she can be an inspiration to all us Gentleman.

Does anyone have any video footage or audio files that we could listen to?

Jimmy
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 18, 2004 03:30 p.m.


Jimmy,
Who cares what I think or what they think? I happy that you have the ability to think for yourself. However, I think that you may have yet another opinion if your sister or your daughter or your guru's daughter were the subject of this this thread.
I have met Rimpa Shiv and her father, and I've been fortunate to see her perform. I can assure you that no one in the audience at the time had any thoughts about anything other than her unique abilities, her dedication, and her absolute professionalism.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha[/quote]

Anaddha, what does any of this mean? None of these artists are any relation to me. Whether this is or is not so is not relevant - it is a different topic altogether. I also don't understand what you mean by 'who cares what I think...'. Also, I couldn't help but notice

"I don't believe that beauty contests and standards of professionalism mix except perhaps in Las Vegas, or Reno, Nevada. Perhaps that is where you are from."

Are you, perhaps, suggesting that if the author of the topic were from one of these places you wouldn't respect his opinion? If so I would consider yours void... What if he were your brother, or guru, or guru's son, or guru's brother's son's dog? Would that change your rational opinion? Also, no-one was disputing any merit of Rimpa Shiv.J

aanaddha
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 18, 2004 05:31 p.m.


Dear Jimmy,
Even though a few of the more broadminded contributors to this thread have attempted to raise the standard of discussion here, I think the topic is petty and useless and will go nowhere but downhill fast. This is the last I have to say. If you're inclined to reply, please begin a new thread and a new topic.

"Anaddha, what does any of this mean? None of these artists are any relation to me. Whether this is or is not so is not relevant - it is a different topic altogether."

It shouldn't matter to you what I think - you should develop beliefs of your own.
One of my personal beliefs happens to be that whether someone is related to me or not doesn't exclude them from a demonstration of my respect. This is the primary point I was attempting to make at the beginning of this thread. Everyone, regardless of gender, culture, belief, color, age or ability deserves our respect, deserves to be spoken of with respect, and deserves to be written about with respect. This also includes my guru and my guru's family and your guru and his or her family. ( "guru's brother's son's dog"?? - please.)

"I don't believe that beauty contests and standards of professionalism mix except perhaps in Las Vegas, or Reno, Nevada. Perhaps that is where you are from."
Are you, perhaps, suggesting that if the author of the topic were from one of these places you wouldn't respect his opinion?"

To the contrary, I would respect his opinion greatly concerning topics of beauty contests and the philosophy and culture of glamour.

"If so I would consider yours void... "

As you please.

"Would that change your rational opinion?"

No.


"Also, no-one was disputing any merit of ..."

That was simply an anecdote - I happen to know Rimpa Shiv and her father and guru, Shri Swapan Shiv, and Rimpaji's gurubhai, Shubhankar Banerjee. I would be remiss in my friendship and admiration for all of these people if I didn't object strongly to any unfortunate characterization of Rimpa Shiv.J, or to any woman, as a "Tabla Babe" or "Girl"(s) that plays tabla" - which is intended precisely to dispute their merits.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

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Jimmy
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 19, 2004 12:36 p.m.


You cannot raise strong opinions which provoke reactions from others and then choose to end the topic whenever you see fit. Is it that important for you to have the last word on everything? I think you're answers occasionally are impulsive demands for recognition and intellectual respect. The truth is, your posts often provoke a negative reaction because they have an extremely patronising tone. You cannot always approach every contribution with the preconception that you are on a higher plain than everyone else. I'm glad that you're glad that I can think for myself. I will choose to close the conversation now, if you don't mind.
Jimmy
Re:Tabla Babes (Girls that play tabla) May 20, 2004 04:14 p.m.


Swara,

Nobody gives a fuck what you think !

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