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algernon
Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 04:37 a.m.


Hi all,

I just learned terekete today at my lesson, and my teacher later gave me the following theka to learn:

dha terekete dha ge na
dha ge tu na ke na
ta terekete ta ke na
dha ge dhi na ge na

When I got home to practice it, I became confused as to how quickly to play terekete in relation to the rest of the bols. For instance, does terekete last as long as dha, or ge, which would mean that each stroke of terekete would be 1/4 the length of the rest of the bols (na, tu, etc.)? Or is 'tere' one beat and "kete" another beat?

What I mean is, is the first line (dha terekete dha ge na) 5 beats long, or longer? Is terekete 1 beat long, or longer?

I'm also confused because my teacher said that this was a kaida-rela in tintal. Isn't tintal always 16 beats (4 sets of 4)? I count 22 beats total in the theka (if I am counting terekete correctly) instead of 16, which is confusing me.

Thanks so much in advance, and I'm sorry for such a simple and stupid question from a beginner such as myself. Please let me know if I am not explaining myself correctly, as I am having a difficult time putting this into words.

matihar
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 06:41 a.m.


Hello,
The qaida given you by your teacher is actually in ektal. Terekete here should be counted as two beats if you play in a tempo of one metronomic beat per bol, so one click on tere and one on kete. The rest of the bols are to be played as one bol per metronomic beat (24 bols-2x12). Try to recite the composition with the help of a metronome and eventually you will get the feel of it. Hope this helps.
Aanaddha
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 07:36 a.m.


Matihar is right except that I find it hard to believe that a teacher would give a beginning student a composition a ("theka"?) kaida in ektal ?! Before you begin practicing anything new call your teacher on the phone or e-mail him/her to correct your confusion. It's better to risk annoying your teacher with pertinent questions than it is to have spent a week or more or even a day practicing blindly and incorrectly - *** as long as you're prepared to play the composition correctly at your next lesson !***
Other possibilities include getting phone numers/email addresses of your teacher's other students to call for questions and taking a tape recorder with you to your lessons to refer to later.

Hope that helps,
Sincerely,
Aanaddha,

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oli
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 09:39 a.m.


should it be
dha terkete dha gena
dha ge tuna kena
?
Swara
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 09:08 a.m.



Aanaddha (May 03, 2004 07:36 a.m.):
Matihar is right except that I find it hard to believe that a teacher would give a beginning student a composition a ("theka"?) kaida in ektal ?!

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No ,Matihar and Aanaddha. Algernon was right by telling it is in Teental. This is a typical Kaida Arilay(don't know if it is written correct like this) but it is used in punjabi theka or instrumentalist call it Sitarkhani. It is a variation of Teental that has a different rhythmical movement .
It is not easy to explain this via the forum,so I suggest also to contact your teacher and ask him.

Swara
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 09:41 a.m.


Well,I give it a try.not easy but I hope you can understand it.
dha terekete dha ge na
dha ge tu na ke na
ta terekete ta ke na
dha ge dhi na ge na

beat1 on -Dha-
beat2 on -tere-
beat3 on -kete-
beat4 on -dha-
beat5 on -na
beat6 on -ge-
beat7 between -tu- and -na-
beat8 between -ke- and -na-
The same with the 2nd part

Aanaddha
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 10:33 a.m.


I think Swara's right - looking more like sitarkhani to me. Makes sense, too.

This is precisely why we tell you to find a teacher... as you can see even with a teacher it can be confusing. There is no printed tabla notation in a non-indigenous language that isn't going to make your understanding more confused and even less intelligible.
Sorry, but the only way to get it 100% is from the horse's mouth. Call your teacher today and let us know what this composition of your is, ok?
Great try, guys!

my $.02.,
A.

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Aanaddha
p.s. Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 10:38 a.m.


p.s. For those of you who still believe you can learn from a book - take heed.

A.

rod
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 11:38 a.m.


Swara, does the minus sign in -Dha- mean a silent stroke? If it is then I think that it is very unlikely that his teacher would give him such a composition. I am already surprised that he was given an ary lay kaida let alone a kaida where every beat would fall silent. And to make things more difficult you doubled the whole thing in the last two beats. Maybe it is just a property of Sitarkhani but I don't know what Sitarkhani is. Could you post the meaning of Sitarkhani? (I am sure I have seen it somewhere....)

This is howI think this kaida goes. Still in ari lay. Both versions are found in Sharda Sahai's Play Tabla book.

This first version is half of the second one. So 1 1/2.
S = silent
The | represents the end/division of the matra

DhaSTi | RaKiTa | DhaSGhe | SNaS
DhaSGhe | STiS | NaSKi | SNaS

TaSTi | RaKiTa | DhaSGhe | SNaS
DhaSGhe | SDhiS | NaSGhi | SNaS

This second version is the same as above but double.
(coma), = divides bols in matra

Dha,TiRa,KiTa | Dha,Ghe,Na | Dha,Ghe,Ti | Na,Ki,Na

Ta,TiRa,KiTa | Dha,Ghe,Na | Dha,Ghe,Dhi | Na,Ghi,Na

Swara
Re:p.s. Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 11:26 a.m.



Aanaddha (May 03, 2004 10:38 a.m.):
p.s. For those of you who still believe you can learn from a book - take heed.

A.



Correctly,Aanaddha! This is so true!!
A suggestion to Algernon, when your teacher gives you a new composition write down the beats. Otherwise you will always have this same problem . Or even better ,record your lessons!

rahul
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 03, 2004 01:44 p.m.


Agree with Swara. Its a Tintaal Kaayda thats starts as an off-beat.
The beginning pause is 1/2 beat. (-Dha TitaKita ) phrase should be
completed as 3 beats. Swars' decomposition of the bols also look
correct to me.
Its very critical for beginning students to note down the bols to
the beat numbers to get it right. I also think that its little hard to play this
sort of Kayda as a beginner. Even if the concept of pause can be
understood by the student, rendering it would be little tricky, not
difficult though!!
algernon
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 04, 2004 05:32 a.m.


Wow, I didn't expect so many replies, thank you everyone! I tried to call my teacher today but he wasn't home, so I'll try again tomorrow. He told me that if I had any questions that I could call him, I just didn't want to bother him unless it was absolutely necessary, and it is clear now that it is.

Taping my lessons was a good idea, I'm going to ask if that would that be alright, and if so, I'm going to tape my next one. Thanks for the idea, Swara, and also for the idea of writing down the beats for compositions that are given to me.

About the composition in question, the "kaida-rela in tintal" as my teacher described it, he told me that it was something that was very specific to the Lucknow gharana and is sometimes used as part of a solo. It's supposed to be unusual because it's "partly a kaida and partly a rela" as he described it. My primary homework until my next lesson is to practice tintal and to do a special exercise using terekete, and then to try this "kaida-rela." He gave it to me near the end of the lesson, and he had me recite it and play it a couple of times, but for some reason I can not remember how I did it. I don't think there were any silent strokes though, it seemed pretty straight forward, I just can't remember if terekete was one beat long or more. I must have recited/played it correctly during the lesson, because he said "good" when I was done, I just wish I could remeber what I did now. I really wish I would have taped the lesson!

That's about all I can tell you about this piece until I talk to my teacher, after which I will post whatever new info that I learn.

Thanks again everyone, I really appreciate your help!

Swara
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 04, 2004 09:18 a.m.


I used the minus signs to divide the bols from the rest of the text,maybe wrong choice of sign. In this compositions no rests and also no offbeat starting. It is pretty straight forward, like Algernon mentioned. "Dha tirakita dhaghena dhaghe" is played normal.The tricky part is "tina kena". In my previous reaction I told the beat is between "ti" and "na" and "ke" and "na". It is not really in the middle but a fraction before "na" and "na".
dha tira kita dhaghena dhaghe ti|na ke|na
1-----2----3-----4---------5--------6------7--------8---
ta tira kita takena dhaghe dhi|na ke|na
9--10---11--12---13-------14-------15-------16---
Algernon,tirakita is 2 beats long.
Gabriel
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 06, 2004 01:43 p.m.


Hi everyone,

I agree with Rod and Swara. To me, this ka�da is in tintal and has a feel of three sounds per beat (ari). Here is some variations of the same idea that fits into different cycles and feel (ari and barabar). Hope you enjoy !

Tint�l (or Keharwa)
Ari
dh� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� ge tin / n� ke n�
t� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� ge dhin / n� ge n�

Tint�l (or Keharwa)
Barabar
dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / dhin n� ge dh� / ge n� dh� ge
dhin n� ge n� / dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / tin n� ke n�
t� tirakita t� / ke n� t� ke / tin n� ke t� / ke n� t� ke
tin n� ke n� / dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / dhin n� ge n�

Ektal (or Dadra)
Barabar
dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / tin n� ke n�
t� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / dhin n� ge n�

Ektal (or Dadra)
Ari
dh� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� tirakita
dh� ge n� / dh� ge tin / n� ke n�
t� tirakita / t� ke n� / t� tirakita
dh� ge n� / dh� ge dhin / n� ge n�

Jhapt�l
Barabar
dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge
dhin n� ge dh� / ge n� dh� ge / tin n� ke n�
t� tirakita t� / ke n� t� ke
tin n� ke dh� / ge n� dh� ge / dhin n� ge n�

Jhapt�l
Ari
dh� tirakita / dh� tirakita
dh� ge n� / dh� ge tin / n� ke n�
t� tirakita / t� tirakita
dh� ge n� / dh� ge dhin / n� ge n�

Rup�k t�l
Ari
dh� ge n� / dh� ge dhin / n� ge n�
dh� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� ge tin / n� ke n�
t� ke n� / t� ke tin / n� ke n�
dh� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� ge dhin / n� ge n�

Rup�k t�l
Barabar
dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / dhin n� ge dh�
ge n� dh� ge / dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / tin n� ke n�
t� tirakita t� / ke n� t� ke / tin n� ke dh�
ge n� dh� ge / dh� tirakita dh� / ge n� dh� ge / dhin n� ge n�

Sincerely, Gabriel

Randeep
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 06, 2004 04:39 p.m.


I have to say that playing the a kaida in triplet, albeit with simple bols, is pretty tough as beginner as you're trying to focus on getting your hand to behave correctly and keep a new form of rhythm. Your teacher has high expectations from his/her students, that's for sure.
Zdenko
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 09, 2004 06:35 p.m.


Hi,
I am beginner too.
It is nice to compare methods- I spent only three hours(weeks) with my teacher - and I am still practisin very simple combinations like
Te Re Ke Ta; Ge GeTe Te, Ge Ge TeRe Ke Ta, Ke Ke Te Te, Ge Ge TeRe KeTa, and many others with these four bols. Also my teacher has included Na and Dha - and there are some other simple combinations - which are, I must admit, pretty diffucult to maintain all the time - I am practising each day for 1 and half hour ,approx. 5 minutes for each combination -and it is not easy to hold the rythm, watch the hands, recite, watch the metronom - but it is of great help that each combination is written by my teacher in small notebook, also he records all the time the recitation.
Zdenko
matihar
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 10, 2004 03:08 a.m.


Hello,
It is absolutely possible that the composition is in tintal, but it can be played in ektal, as well. It is just a matter of organizing the bols (see the examples given by Gabriel). For me it seems really strange that somebody starts practicing terekite with a qaida that has three bols per beat simply because playing terekite with correct timing (without any "limping") and clarity is a difficult task in itself, so a qaida in ar lay where timing is even more complicated can be more of an obstacle than anything helpful for a beginner in my point of view.
Matihar
algernon
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 10, 2004 04:03 a.m.


Gabriel,

You were correct when you wrote:


Tint�l (or Keharwa)
Ari
dh� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� ge tin / n� ke n�
t� tirakita / dh� ge n� / dh� ge dhin / n� ge n�

That is exactly how my teacher intended that I play this piece, and now it makes sense to me why he said that it was in tintal. I am so sure that I decided not to call him to ask him about this, and will continue to practice it as Gabriel described it until my next lesson.

For those that are confused as to why a teacher would give a beginner student such a composition, keep in mind that my main assignment is to practice tintal and a basic exercise to practice terekete (te re ke te ta ka ta ka ta ka etc.). My teacher said that it would be "extra credit" if I could slowly play the very short kaida-rela. I think he was giving me a lot to work on because it would be at least a month until my next lesson, and I have a lot of time to practice. (I would love to have a lesson every week, but I can't afford it!) Anyway, I think he did the right thing, because I think that I am really making some progress with tintal and the terekete exercise, and the kaida-rela is making a lot of sense to me now. I have gone from not even being able to play it at all to having memorized it and can play it (slowly, of course) for several minutes without making a mistake. Anyway, please have faith that my teacher knows what he is doing, and that he has given me this assignment wisely after taking my individual situation into account.

Thanks again for all the input, you have really helped me get a grasp on this. Cheers!

apeiron
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 11, 2004 08:49 a.m.


How about this�

Dha-| tere|kete| dha-|ge na| dha ge| tu na| ke na|
ta-| tere|kete| ta-| ke na| dha ge| dhi na| ge na|

Cheers!

Warren
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 11, 2004 03:57 p.m.


This is a simple tisra jati kaida exercise the break down is like this
dhatere|kitadha|gena|dhage|tuna|kena|
tatere|kitata|gena|dhage|dhina|gena|

Because it is tisra it will fit into dadra and ektal but all tisra can also fit into teental . This one like this (you count 123 per matra 123, 123,123,123)
dhaterekita|dhagena|dhagetu|nakena|

That is the correct information for this composition that is all there is to it.

Warren



apeiron (May 11, 2004 08:49 a.m.):
How about this�

Dha-| tere|kete| dha-|ge na| dha ge| tu na| ke na|
ta-| tere|kete| ta-| ke na| dha ge| dhi na| ge na|

Cheers!


Gabriel
Re:Beginner's question about terekete May 12, 2004 10:55 a.m.


Dear Tabla lovers,

Here are some very basic variations on this particular ari ka�da. I thought of sharing since I beleive that "what is not given is lost". Hope you enjoy as much as I do !

Ka�da
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
t� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

1)
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� tirakita /dh� ge n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
t� tirakita /t� ke n� /t� tirakita /t� ke n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

2)
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� tirakita /dh� tirakita
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
t� tirakita /t� ke n� /t� tirakita /t� tirakita
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

3)
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� / - ge n� /dh� tirakita
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
t� tirakita /t� ke n� / - ke n� /t� tirakita
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

4)
dh� ge n� / - ge n� /dh� ge n� / - ge n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
t� ke n� / - ke n� /t� ke n� / - ke n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

5)
dh� ge n� / - ge n� /dhin n� ge /n� dh� ge
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
t� ke n� / - ke n� /tin n� ke /n� t� ke
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

6)
dhin n� ge /n� dh� ge /dhin n� ge /n� dh� ge
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
tin n� ke /n� t� ke /tin n� ke /n� t� ke
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

7)
dhin n� ge /n� dhin n� /ge n� dhin /n� ge n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
tin n� ke /n� tin n� /ke n� tin /n� ke n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�


dhin n� ge /n� dh� ge /tirakita dhin /n� ge n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
tin n� ke /n� t� ke /tirakita tin /n� ke n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

9)
tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /tirakita dhin /n� ge n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge tin /n� ke n�
tirakita tin /n� ke n� /tirakita tin /n� ke n�
dh� tirakita /dh� ge n� /dh� ge dhin /n� ge n�

Tiha�
tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /tirakita dhin /n� ge n�
dh� - - /tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /dh� - -
tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /dh� - - /tirakita dhin
n� ge n� /tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /dh� - -
tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /dh� - - /tirakita dhin
n� ge n� /dh� - - /tirakita dhin /n� ge n�
tirakita dhin /n� ge n� /dh� - - /tirakita dhin
n� ge n� /dh� - - /tirakita dhin /n� ge n�
dh�

Sincerely, Gabriel

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