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Casey Era
Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 06, 2004 08:19 p.m.


Hi
Someone replied to my previous post saying I am arrogant in my website. I would like to know how so and where on my website? I am willing to make those changed because that is not what I am trying to do. Thanks

Casey
www.casey-era.host.sk

bobby
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 06, 2004 08:54 p.m.


Don't worry about it. People say dumb things sometimes. You're 15 years old. Just remember to practice hard, learn from your guru, and to remain humble and you will be a great tabla player.
aanaddha
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 06, 2004 10:52 p.m.



Casey Era (Apr 06, 2004 08:19 p.m.):
Hi
Someone replied to my previous post saying I am arrogant in my website. I would like to know how so and where on my website? I am willing to make those changed because that is not what I am trying to do. Thanks

Casey
www.casey-era.host.sk


Dear Casey,
I know you must be very talented (much more so than myself) and very dedicated to tabla. To have such a dedication at your age is truly a blessing. However, it might be wiser or more prudent in regards to public opinion to introduce yourself as something other than a "prodigy". Perhaps the description "young and talented" would more effective in the long run. The term "prodigy" sometimes also implies a person whose talent is often fleeting or short-lived.
This is not criticism, but merely a personal and hopefully helpful suggestion.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

tabla_dude
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 03:55 a.m.


I agree to the comments of Aanadha. Casey you are a young talented tabla player. However describing yourself in such a way on your own website seems you are praising your self for your talent and art. Have you ever heard Zakir bhai or other famous players telling people that they are good. Their performance and talent describes their best abilities. I have seen tabla players in India working in little schools or music institutions who belong to various gharanas and have the theory of the tabla bols in their minds as a parrot would learn. But when it comes to playing the same bol on the tabla, their hands dont seem to move the way their tongue does. i have heard some samples on your site and like the way you are progressing with the blessings of your gurus and loved ones. My sincere suggestion is that let your ability speak rather than becoming like the ones i described above. I am not being rude, but my experience in the tabla field tells me that only your ability to play the instrument can describe your talent.
I wish all the best to you and some more serious riyaz before you finally go out there to prove yourself.

Take Care.

Jimmy
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 07:06 a.m.


I totally agree with Bobby - as long as Casey continues with his music he will gain such values as modesty etc as he grows up with the people around him. Spelling lessons in internet message boards won't necessarily aid this. Casey you are very lucky to be surrounded by people who love your music are are willing to help you promote yourself. My parents don't even know what tabla is. Anaddhaa I realise that when writing is the only medium for communication it is the sole indicator of one's self - thus i can tell that Casey is young, ambitious and slightly audatious. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this. However, I cannot help thinking that that care you take in composing your messages has more to do with maintaining some kind of pompus self image rather than respect alone. Please do not take offence to this - the forum is lucky to have someone with the ability to articulate their vast knowledge of the tabla so well. However, issues such as those you are trying to teach Casey are better left to his family, guruji and the experiences which lie ahead of him.
J
Aanaddha
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 10:03 a.m.



Jimmy (Apr 07, 2004 07:06 a.m.):
... However, issues such as those you are trying to teach Casey are better left to his family, guruji and the experiences which lie ahead of him.
J

Jimmy,
I wouldn't presume to teach Casey, or anyone for that matter, anything whatsoever. As I said at the onset of this discussion in regards to mutual respect - " it is my personal philosophy and not worth discussing further". I would however do my best to impress upon Casey and everyone the importance of one's image amongst their elders and their peers.
I believe Casey has the aspirations and strikingly obvious potential to become a professional. Attention to one's education, language skills, personal skills, business skills, grooming, health and personal habits as well as practice habits are all essential to surviving as a professional musician in a highly competitive occupation.
To be 15 years of age in some cultures is also to be very much an adult. I can assure you that Casey is no longer a child.

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

JJ
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 10:09 a.m.


I made the comment about being implicitly arrogant Casey. It had to do with the use of the word prodigy. To me it implies "implicit arrogance". One would not associate you with being a prodigy, at least not from those clips that you have on your site. For true prodigys look to people like U Shrinivas etc. I think a lot of people on this site are patronising and should really say it as it is. I do not agree that matters of humility should only be enshrined via guru and parents but you can learn from everyone and everything. So gentlemen say it as it is and don't be all politically correct!. Sometimes it is better to be blunt and correct. If you need proof of that just look at Ustad Tafo.. Nuff said......
R-Weg
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 10:22 a.m.


Perhaps the thing to do is pair this fellow up with Beenkar. Maybe they would cancel out each other's "youthful pride" and they could both go about their way down a path of humility. Seriously - lets hope he's not a prodigy. Most child prodigies don't fare well as adults. Look at what happened to Mozart.
rits
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 10:40 a.m.


Casey

I felt you were a little over the top saying that KumarJi was reading from his notes. I know your young whether joking or what. But you don't say this kind of remark to Tabla Authorities.

I don't think any body on this forum would say that. If you are a true tabla player and you have quite a lot of knowledge of peshkars, Kaidas etc and you are intelligent to play these. Then you must also be able to understand the etiquette of tabla and respecting great masters, your guru must have taught you this! I would expect a slap from guru if I said that.

Keep practising hard and be humble in your approach to tabla.

Jimmy
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 07, 2004 06:21 p.m.


Ok, I'm not going to write another great long scroll in reply - I doubt anyone would read it. So - Anaddhaa, yes ok, I agree with you - in all honesty I didnt expect to see Casey take so much from the last few messages. However, it just seems to me that as soon as the guy enters the forum everyone starts to discuss him in the third person and various elements of his personality. His age shouldn't automatically mean that its ok to lecture him. I think if anyone wants to make personal suggestions they should try sending an email. Also, can I just say, I've looked through the old threads and this isn't the first time there has been some kind of controversy stemming from one of Anaddhaa's posts. I'm not saying this is due to inappropriate suggestions on his part but it is probably wiser to just jetison such arguments altogether rather than to always try and get the last word (or numerous words) in - such is my proposal!J
matihar
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 08, 2004 07:08 a.m.


Is there maybe a bit of envy in you? It is so ridiculous to see people living in a Western egocentric society teaching a lesson on how to be humble. Vanity is just in our nature and if some of us somehow makes the way to real humbleness then they just would not feel upset about issues like this. There is nothing more disgusting than arrogance in the disguise of humbleness. It is much better to be honestly arrogant.
So get off Casey, take a look at yourselves.
Do you like what you see?
Matihar
Aanaddha
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 08, 2004 07:44 a.m.



Jimmy (Apr 07, 2004 06:21 p.m.):
....I've looked through the old threads and this isn't the first time there has been some kind of controversy stemming from one of Anaddhaa's posts. I'm not saying this is due to inappropriate suggestions on his part but it is probably wiser to just jetison such arguments altogether rather than to always try and get the last word (or numerous words) in - such is my proposal!J

Dear Jimmy,
When you address someone specifically, as you have, you should expect a response unless they choose not to respond - that is their perogative. You cannot point the finger at someone for causing controversy when they choose to answer a question or charge addressed to them by you.
The truth is I chose to answer Casey's questions in the form that he posted not once, but twice, without a response, (addressed to anyone) regarding the observations he made about the Kumar Bose video. I confessed up front that I didn't know the answer to his primary question about the geedani chakradar. ( I can't tell you what a blow that was to my pompous self-image). I also chose to comment on the remaining observations in his original post and added as a post-script a comment on the grammar of his subject heading..
Of the ensuing posts to this thread not one has even mentioned the chakradar. It was, in fact, your very own unsolicited response regarding my correction of Casey's grammar that gave rise to the controversy you are referring to.
I have a similiar proposal: why don't we all try to be the first and not the last to answer questions submitted to this forum? And, not let any question go unanswered. That would be much more fun, and helpful, agreed?

Sincerely,
Aanaddha

JJ
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 08, 2004 07:50 a.m.


Matihar, what rubbish are you speaking?
You lack coherency boy!
Jimmy
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 08, 2004 07:55 a.m.


Whatever - I think we've talked this topic to death I admitted you were with your posts to Casey. Anaddhaa can't you see that the longer such arguments go on for the more trivial and usless to others they get. Matihar, yeah I agree, well said. (whoever that post was referring to!) J
Jimmy
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 08, 2004 08:01 a.m.



Jimmy (Apr 08, 2004 07:55 a.m.):
Whatever - I think we've talked this topic to death I admitted you were with your posts to Casey. Anaddhaa can't you see that the longer such arguments go on for the more trivial and usless to others they get. Matihar, yeah I agree, well said. (whoever that post was referring to!) J

*Sorry - I meant 'i admitted you were right with your posts to Casey' obviously my subconcious was did not agree

Aanaddha
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 08, 2004 08:37 a.m.


Casey asked a question(s). He very graciously and very maturely thanked everyone for their response. End of story.
rod
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 09, 2004 02:12 p.m.


just a few words.
1) I don't see anything wrong with Anaadha pointing out a gramatical mistake to Casey. Casey asked a question. The question was gramaticaly incorrect. Anaadha realised it, answered his question and pointed out that there was a mistake with the wording. What is the problem with that? As long as he (Anaadha)is not going to spend his time going over every post looking for missing comas, apostrophes etc and pointing it out to us, then I don't have a problem with that. It is fine line between knowing when some people will be offended or not.
2) I think some people here get jealous that Anaadha replies to most posts. And why wouldn't he? His replies are most of the time very informative and he doesn't wait long to give his opinion when asked. Keep posting Anaadha. I have learnt a lot via your posts and replies and I believe many of us did too(although many perhpas will not admit it).

3) Casey, there is nothing wrong asking if Kumar-jee was looking at his notes or not. Perhaps the way you have asked was a bit presumptuous but if not mistaken, Kumar-jee when played last year in London, had a few notes written down. It wasn't compositions but I think a plan of how he wanted the concert to go (someone correct me on this one. Perhaps he didn't have anything at all. Perhaps my mind is just playing tricks on me). Anindo-jee had for a fact some compositions written down when he played at the same venue the year before. I think he said they were compositions he just had created and he wanted to make sure he played them.
On the other side, Kumar-jee could be looking at his watch. Sharda Sahai does all the time and if you were at the concert two days ago you would have noticed that. They (players) are most of the time restricted to certain amount of time and they have to keep an eye on it or the others players won't get their share.

Harry
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 09, 2004 06:58 p.m.


Politics on a website??

Thats just wrong

Harry
Re:Someone said I am "arrogant" in my website. How so? Apr 09, 2004 06:59 p.m.


P.S. Cool website casey
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