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aanaddha
Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 06, 2003 07:13 a.m.


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bob
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 06, 2003 01:25 p.m.


Who did it say his teacher was? I wasn't too impressed with his tabla playing. But like someone said before, never judge a student by his teacher and never judge a teacher by his student.
Chas
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 08, 2003 04:16 a.m.


I think it said that his teacher was zakir hussain, but what did you not like about his playing? I could hardly even make a judgement based on the quality of the clip.
Aanaddha
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 08, 2003 11:06 a.m.



bob (Jun 06, 2003 01:25 p.m.):
Who did it say his teacher was? I wasn't too impressed with his tabla playing. But like someone said before, never judge a student by his teacher and never judge a teacher by his student.

...better yet to withold your judgements altogether.
What is the obsession with the quality of every person's abilities? Unless you can state your standards precisely and meet those same standards consistently yourself, then your observations are rather pointless. I posted this article because I was impressed with this person's dedication and stamina - traits I would have thought would be universally envied by most everyone who has ever played a musical instrument seriously.
I am in complete agreement with Chas about making any judgement of skills based on the length on quality of this clip. In my own humble opinion, everyone's skills are unique and should be regarded positively by everyone who is his peer and not his teacher or guru.

Aanaddha

bob
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 08, 2003 02:46 p.m.


I'm sorry if i offended anyone with my comment. When i saw "guiness book of world records" and "tabla" and "video clip" in the same sentence, i was expecting to be blown away by some awesome tabla. When i saw the clip, it was just a few seconds of some average playing. It may be that they were poorly chosen clips and the quality of real media distorted the tabla playing. I was just expressing my initial response. Truth be told, if rakesh kumar is in town for a concer, i'll go to it. If he has an album out, i'll buy it. I didn't mean that "this guy sucks and I'm never listening to him again."

About thte teacher, i don't understand hindi that well, but I think it says that zakir's mother taught him? Is this true? I didn't know she taught. does she have other students? can she play herself? Or did i misinterpret the hindi? If i did, who was the lady that they interviewed?

bob

Chas
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 08, 2003 11:58 p.m.


They said Zakir Hussain was his teacher but Zakir's wife was at the recital. And I really do think that your judgement is overly critical; after all, can anyone be expected to play their best for 24 hours?
Bhavesh Patel
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 11, 2003 01:12 p.m.


To make clarification. Rakeshkumar's teacher is Bawibegum. She is wife of late mastro ustad alla rakha khan. I think in video clip mentions bawibegum as wife of zakir hussain. Acutally she is mother.
omja
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 10, 2003 09:58 a.m.


I disagree about not being able to make a judgement about something unless you are able to do that something well or better yourself.
For example I am not overly impressed by the playing of Zakirji. Sure he's fast, he can be expressive and he always creates excitement when he plays. I do not feel that his playing carries much feeling or emotion. Its fast but flat.

I'm unlikely to be able to play "his" way, but should this prevent me from expressing an opinion about his playing?

omja

aanaddha
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jun 10, 2003 12:11 p.m.



omja (Jun 10, 2003 09:58 a.m.):
I disagree about not being able to make a judgement about something unless you are able to do that something well or better yourself.
For example I am not overly impressed by the playing of Zakirji. Sure he's fast, he can be expressive and he always creates excitement when he plays. I do not feel that his playing carries much feeling or emotion. Its fast but flat.

I'm unlikely to be able to play "his" way, but should this prevent me from expressing an opinion about his playing?

omja


Dear Omja,
Feel free to state your opinions or your judgements - I for one am not likely to regard your 'judgements' with much credibility unless you are an authority or an expert yourself. As for your 'opinions' regarding Ust. Hussain, I would probably be inclined to agree - I may not like his style of playing but I would never underestimate his greatness, his knowledge, his consistency, his dedication, his warmth as a human being, or his many other phenomenal abilities. I would be an utter fool to pass judgement on such a person.
Aanaddha

joe
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 06, 2003 07:12 a.m.


I think this motivated person met his goal. He is now in the Guiness book. Love, Peace. Living in the now. joe
Zerish
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 08, 2003 05:18 p.m.


not impressed w/ UStad Zakirji's playing ??........he plays flat ??........get the hell outta here stupidass......why the hells he on top then ??........i don't think anyone as expressed as much emotion for tabla as Ustadji on stage. you know, its one thing playing tabla and another being a tabla player. criticizm need not come w/ the tabla player. you just play tabla, you have no bond to it. otherwise you'd have respect that this person you have just put down w/ your stupid pathetic words is an Ustad who has dedicated his life to this instrument........can your dumbass say that you've contributed that much to tabla ??.......you don't deserve to play tabla...a tabla player appreciates all tabla players and all gharanas. next time you go talking shit about my DadaUstadji ill cut your hands off......you don't deserve to touch tabla
Zerish
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 08, 2003 05:23 p.m.


anyhow, besides you imbasels........yall have never heard the secret bols that Zakirji plays. that stuff thats on recordings, thats so you worthless craps won't try to take ustadji's bols. only select few dedicated people deserve those bols, who are ready to give their life to tabla
Sitarsrule
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 09, 2003 02:19 p.m.


I know I play sitar, but I also play a bit of tabla to figure out songs I'm writting.
I think until your in the world records book, or have been ask by as many Indian
musicians to play with them, you can't speak lowly of either of these people, try
and brake the record if you think your better.
jay
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 10, 2003 06:07 a.m.


So where is tabla playing heading. Is it that we need an audiance to show how good we are
Do we need to play 24 hours, for what purpose!!! Is this Egotistical !! please tabla forum. Do we
play because we love the instrument. Or do we use it to be prasied by other people. Are we showing
any skill or is it that we get to puffed up with so called tabla learning and knowledge!!
Maynard
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 14, 2003 07:27 a.m.


Well dont b so fanatic.I surely agree that sheer speed which zackir has reached isnt the goal..he plays
a musical instrument dude and not a flipper at the arcade room...musicality is then what hes supposed to produce,
hearin 10000 horses comin there from from the end of the alley is totally impressive but not music,especially if he's
findin always a chance to play it on each concert.he says that anyway"if i know a bol ill play it whether ppl will understand
it or not"..better playin in his toilet then anyway..
And finally zackir name is like jordan's beckham's and einstein's...sells alot..Medias always tryin to find a person to build
a mythm around it..so ive heard lots of zackir and he doesnt reach the musicality either of Shankar lal or Aloke Dutta..
Aanaddha
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 14, 2003 10:30 a.m.


[ I wrote]:
As for your 'opinions' regarding (Zakir) Ust. Hussain, I would probably be inclined to agree - I may not like his style of playing but I would never underestimate his greatness, his knowledge, his consistency, his dedication, his warmth as a human being, or his many other phenomenal abilities. I would be an utter fool to pass judgement on such a person.
Aanaddha[/quote]

Since I wrote that I have been listening to Zakir's "Selects" CD. This is an amazing recording and I would rank it in the top ten of the hundred or more tabla solo recordings in my collection. The first track of peshkar is a masterpiece in itself - his development, the timing, the musicality; all reveal the mastery Zakir posesses but for whatever reason rarely shows in his public performances outside of India or on his other commercial CD's. Apparently, this performance in Pune was for a special audience that included other highly respected artists. I hope that anyone else who hasn't developed a taste for Zakir's commercial style will give these tracks a listen.

Aanaddha

oMjA
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Jul 25, 2003 11:29 a.m.


Hello Again,
I'm sorry to have raised so much strong feeling in the room but I maintain that I have a right to like or dislike anything I choose.
I do find Zakirji lacking in soul. I agree that some of the stuff that he performs for small audiences or when teaching may show a more soulful side to his playing. Indeed, there is a feeling among performers that speed is what they want in the west and consequently its speed we get.
So, while I feel strongly about what I said, I feel stronger still about my right to say it.

Zerishji, you sound dangerous to me.

omja

Chas
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Aug 02, 2003 12:09 a.m.


Zerish, back off man. That kind of attitude is completely uncalled for in this forum. If you want to act juvenile, go vent it somewhere else. Otherwise, act like an adult and speak your point politely like the rest of the adults.
Chas
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Aug 08, 2003 05:44 p.m.



Since I wrote that I have been listening to Zakir's "Selects" CD. This is an amazing recording and I would rank it in the top ten of the hundred or more tabla solo recordings in my collection. The first track of peshkar is a masterpiece in itself - his development, the timing, the musicality; all reveal the mastery Zakir posesses but for whatever reason rarely shows in his public performances outside of India or on his other commercial CD's. Apparently, this performance in Pune was for a special audience that included other highly respected artists. I hope that anyone else who hasn't developed a taste for Zakir's commercial style will give these tracks a listen.

Aanaddha, I agree completely! I also have that CD and I think it's an exceptional example of how musical and expressive tabla can be. It's a must-have!

TablaNawaz
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Aug 28, 2003 04:40 p.m.


I might as well put in my 2 cents worth. The fact that someone who can play tabla for 24 hours in my book is a true dedicated musician. I respect him for his discipline and talent. Yes I said talent. To some his style may have not been what your ears are used to but the fact that he can keep up for 24 hours is a talent it self. I think most of you may have to look the word up again. I truely admire this fella for his dedication.

As for Zakir JI. Well, what can I possibly say about him? His name speaks for him self. I don't think he needs any of us to praise him or asking for approval. Its strange that rather then thanking him, you guys are cirtisizing him. What he has done for tabla no one has. Especially if your a tabla player. Thanks to Zakir Ji, that we even have the audiance we today. With out him and his father we wouldnt even have half the audiance we do now for tabla. Yes Zakir Ji is one who doesnt paly complete compositions and picks the parts that best suits audiance. But wait a minute, could that be because he is an entertainer and its his job to entertain? Hmm maybe, thats why he is probably one of the few people who can connect with his audiance. So rather then wasting that energy on profiling who is capable of what, for your own sake look at your own self and see how much you have accomplished. ENOUGH SAID!!

rod
Re:Tabla player Rakesh Kumar makes his way into the Guinness Book of World Records by playing tabla non-stop for 24 hours. Aug 29, 2003 05:53 a.m.


hey coolie number one, u sound a bit angry there....
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