INDIAN MUSIC FORUM ARCHIVES: Tabla Forum: spouting ignorance

 

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Devi
spouting ignorance Mar 27, 2003 10:33 p.m.


Ok, so I have loved Indian music (especially classical) for years but I have not listened to a lot of tabla-specific music. I got Essence of Rhythm (Zakir Hussain) and have been listening to it.
I know this is a terrible thing to say, but I find that I actually am not "moved" much by the ultra-fast playing style. It seems flashy but dry; I don't perceive any emotion in it... it's kind of like listening to the tabla version of a drumroll that just keeps going. Especially like in the Jhaptal piece on that CD. Technically astounding, of course, but... I actually find that I like the slower (and maybe more expressive) segments. I also picked up Tala Matrix - of course it has a lot more energy; ooh do I love those bayan scales like in Secret Channel!
It's hard to disappoint a pessimist.
Warren
Re:spouting ignorance Apr 05, 2003 01:23 p.m.


Hey great job on your website (although my link is kind of low on the list)
Anyway one thing about boles , if you'll notice: na tin te , these are all right hand boles, but if you change the first syllable to dh, you get dha dhin dhe that is basically the same bole but adding the baya so dh kind of adds baya. And so when writing if you don't use an h like which I think I kind of noticed di instead of dhi then it could be that the baya is not added .

Now on to your posted question
Devi consider this: Tabla is like language , the first books you learn to read like See Spot Run are important to someone beginning to read but you can't give a beginning reader a 500 page theological volume and expect that they will understand it or that it will be interesting to them , it will be boring . On the other hand once you become a skilled reader then this book may be very interesting. Tabla is the same way . You may go through stages as your playing improves where as you understand it more the complex fast stuff will sound more interesting, that's the beauty of tabla , it is vast , for now just consider that these guys are speaking to fast, maybe fast to appreciate right now , eventually you may appreciate what they are saying with there tabla. That's just the way I see it , some complex stuff blows my mind on the other hand sometimes it does feel like reading a boring technical journal ,it all depends. That's why people still rave about Thirkwa no matter how fast he played he still created a beautiful kind of of musical feel to his solo .
It reminds me of when people speak a different language in front of me , I have no clue but then if I learn that language then what there saying may become quite interesting



Devi (Mar 27, 2003 10:33 p.m.):
Ok, so I have loved Indian music (especially classical) for years but I have not listened to a lot of tabla-specific music. I got Essence of Rhythm (Zakir Hussain) and have been listening to it.
I know this is a terrible thing to say, but I find that I actually am not "moved" much by the ultra-fast playing style. It seems flashy but dry; I don't perceive any emotion in it... it's kind of like listening to the tabla version of a drumroll that just keeps going. Especially like in the Jhaptal piece on that CD. Technically astounding, of course, but... I actually find that I like the slower (and maybe more expressive) segments. I also picked up Tala Matrix - of course it has a lot more energy; ooh do I love those bayan scales like in Secret Channel!
Devi
Re:spouting ignorance Apr 06, 2003 10:16 p.m.


Hmm, yes I see your point. Right now, I am so novice that I cannot even pick out the bols used in slow tabla phrases (I had Led Zeppelin on the other day and was trying to figure out Black Mountain Side).

As to your other comment,... which "di" are you referring to? The "Di, Din, Deen, Ma" at the bottom of the page? If so, I thought that was a dayan-only bol... the one where you strike the dayan with four fingers of the right hand... I had included the combination bayan/dayan strokes in parentheses with each of the individual right-handed strokes above that part.

Thanks for the comment! Sorry about posting your site low


It's hard to disappoint a pessimist.
Warren
Re:spouting ignorance Apr 15, 2003 01:17 a.m.


Devi , your practice bol page has cash register marks and slashes , itmay be because you are using a rare font. If you use odd fonts on a web unless other people have that font installed it may show up odd.

By the way I am still not quite understanding your bol page probably because I'm not getting the devangari
also in tabla there is khula baj and bhant baj, these are styles of playing , I never thought of those terms as applied to the open and closed bols. But if that's there literal meaning it makes sense . But also I believe Benares is Khula baj, Delhi is Bant baj

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