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Blair
Mukras in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal Feb 11, 2003 02:30 a.m.


Hey there:
I've got a book with some Mukras and it says you generally only have the last matra in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal to fit in a Mukra. One Mukra it gives as an example is this(this is all just the 12th beat only, each line is a quarter beat):

Dha
-
KiraNaKeTeRaKiTaDha---KiraNaKe
TiRaKiTaDha---KiranaKaTiRaKiTa
Dha!(Sum)

Not very complex, but even at speeds as slow as 15-20 matras a minute, that is a bit too much for me to squeeze in and play well at this point. My question is, is it considered o.k. to spread mukras in this tal at this speed over more than the final beat? Or is there a point where you are taking over from the vocalist and becoming an egomaniac?

Thanks,
Blair

Warren
Re:Mukras in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal Feb 11, 2003 10:43 a.m.


Blair ,
Vilambit Ek tal is slow , ati Vilambit is twice as slow , 1 matra could easily be 4 seconds or more . You have plenty of time to fit this mukra.

You must not be familier with this Ektal , it's very popular for vocal and bansuri , you could answer the phone in between matras it is so slow. Seriously one cycle could be a minute


Blair (Feb 11, 2003 02:30 a.m.):
Hey there:
I've got a book with some Mukras and it says you generally only have the last matra in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal to fit in a Mukra. One Mukra it gives as an example is this(this is all just the 12th beat only, each line is a quarter beat):

Dha
-
KiraNaKeTeRaKiTaDha---KiraNaKe
TiRaKiTaDha---KiranaKaTiRaKiTa
Dha!(Sum)

Not very complex, but even at speeds as slow as 15-20 matras a minute, that is a bit too much for me to squeeze in and play well at this point. My question is, is it considered o.k. to spread mukras in this tal at this speed over more than the final beat? Or is there a point where you are taking over from the vocalist and becoming an egomaniac?

Thanks,
Blair


Blair
Re:Mukras in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal Feb 12, 2003 12:32 a.m.


Thanks Warren:
I am familiar with ati-vilambit ektal (except for the first bol though apparently, see below:-) ), that's why I say 15 matras a minute-just about 1 per second.

I just started playing with an Indian Classical music practise group. There are usually two tabla players at this session and they play ati-vilambit EkTal a bit faster than one per second-probably 15-20 matras.

But even at one per second that mukra is a bit of a challenge for me-I can pull it off but not well. You've got 2 seconds or less to pull off (kiranaketerakita Dha) x 3 , since the 2nd quarter beat is a rest. Remember, you don't know how good (bad?) I am!

Sure, this is a good reason to push harder in riyaz, but my question still stands-are longer mukras appropriate in extra slow EkTal-like say over the last 2 beats?

Warren
Re:Mukras in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal Feb 12, 2003 12:40 p.m.


If you are not playing ektal that slow you can play the mukra over 2 beats , 4 etc. it doesn't matter , infact if you play ektal in drut that mukra can playing over a full cycle



Blair (Feb 12, 2003 12:32 a.m.):
Thanks Warren:
I am familiar with ati-vilambit ektal (except for the first bol though apparently, see below:-) ), that's why I say 15 matras a minute-just about 1 per second.

I just started playing with an Indian Classical music practise group. There are usually two tabla players at this session and they play ati-vilambit EkTal a bit faster than one per second-probably 15-20 matras.

But even at one per second that mukra is a bit of a challenge for me-I can pull it off but not well. You've got 2 seconds or less to pull off (kiranaketerakita Dha) x 3 , since the 2nd quarter beat is a rest. Remember, you don't know how good (bad?) I am!

Sure, this is a good reason to push harder in riyaz, but my question still stands-are longer mukras appropriate in extra slow EkTal-like say over the last 2 beats?


Gabriel
Re:Mukras in Ati-Vilambit Ek Tal Feb 12, 2003 02:17 p.m.


Dear Blair,

I agree with Warren in the fact that you can spread the tiha� over more than 1 matra. But an other solution could be to shorten the phrase you are using.
Ex.
takatirakitadha--takatirakitadha--takatirakitadha (ari)
or
tirakitadha-tirakitadha-tirakitadha

Now if I well understand, to fit 1 cycle in 1 minute would make each matra last 5 second ! So, again I agree with Warren in the fact that you probably have time to play the phrase as is !

Good luck.

Sincerely, Gabriel

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