INDIAN MUSIC FORUM ARCHIVES: Tabla Forum: 10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing

 

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gil
10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 18, 2002 03:50 a.m.


Hi all
I've been playing (practicing) for two years already.
I am sorry but i still do not understand what will be the difrent beetween me playing let's say:
Dhatere kettke tuna kettke
Tatere kettke dhina kettke
and beetween a tabla player who plays 10 years.
anonymous
Re:10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 18, 2002 09:59 a.m.


the differences would be (provided, of course the player with ten years experience is being taught correctly and is playing correctly) clarity of the bols being played, keeping rhythm properly and balance between the bayan and dayan.
Jake
Re:10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 18, 2002 11:00 a.m.


If you listen to some great player and you can play with same clarity and speed there is no difference. If you're critical to yourself, I don't believe you can do that.
I have played over 1 1/2 years and I practice 6-9 hours a day. At the moment I am able to tumble at 160 playing 8 notes per matra. Relas are working in about 120 (8 notes per matra). It's still very hard. It doesn't come easily. I need to push myself a little. I believe that after 6 years I may be pretty close to my goal ( being able to play all different technics purely and at high performance tempo). But within 10 years I am certain, that I am there technically. Rhythmic vocalbulary and taste develop even after that and of course technic gets even stronger. You have to be patient. I am happy with my developments, but I know there is still a lot to do to be the best that I can.
Warren
Re:10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 18, 2002 11:46 p.m.


Ah wee are a kind lot here on the forum to try and answer any question no matter.....
This goes back to "The more you learn the more you realize how much you don't know"

Go and listen to a tabla solo album by one of the greats.
One where the artist recites a complex composition before playing it.
Try and learn that composition. The difference is
after 10 years you should be able to pick it up and play it fairly nicely ( not as good as the artist)
but within a few minutes.Example Formishi Chakradar from Zakir (can be heard on magic moments album){Dhin dhin, ge ge tete, gegetete, gegedhin-, kre dhet dhin, naga dhin-, trkt tak ta-, ne kata , dha �,-naga, tete, kata, kat-dhere dhere, kttk tkt, dha(dhina, kttk taketa, dha-)3x }3x

Practice (getaga)2xdhene TUK dhenedhina gena |Dhatuga getuga dhene TUK tene tina kena +kali The Tuk is a chupki snap on the kinar ..After 10 years the baya should sound like a roll
Work on the compositions from here
http://www.angelfire.com/music3/tabla/auscomp.htm

rod
Re:10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 19, 2002 04:15 a.m.


Last Sunday, Pt Sharda Sahai played with Sanju(Vishnu) Sahai at the Royal Festival Hall. An amazing concert. Probably the best solo(duet but tabla solo) concert I have ever been to. They played many interesting old Benaras compositions. Pt Sharda Sahai played a very complex composition that he says that that was the kind of composition you practice all your life just to play it once in public.....just goes to show that the learning process never ends... Very powerful playing.....
gil
(To Warren) 10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 21, 2002 06:30 a.m.


Hi Warren
I read your replay to me, i think i didnt ask the question clear enough. I have no doubt that 10 year tabla player will be able to play rhythms which are dificult for me even trying... what i ment in my question is:
If me and 10 year tabla player, play the same simple rhythm "dhatir kittke tuna kittke tatir... " slowly, how will you be able to tell without knowing, that i am the 2 year player and he is the 10 year player?
The other thing i wanted to ask you is:
Can you please try to explain more clearly the sentence you wrote me in your reply : "The Tuk is a chupki snap on the kinar" - What is Tuk? chupki? kinar ?
Warren
Re:(To Warren) 10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 25, 2002 10:44 p.m.


The inflection and tone of notes plus the modulation on the baya. If only I could make dha dha te te dha dha tun na sound as good as Zakir.
They call it chupki -it basically means snap on kinar . If you play na and press your middle finger down on the gab instead of a tone note you will get a snap sound this snap can be very loud if played correctly. It is often written as tuk or tak in compositions. Listen for it in recordings .


gil (Sep 21, 2002 06:30 a.m.):
Hi Warren
I read your replay to me, i think i didnt ask the question clear enough. I have no doubt that 10 year tabla player will be able to play rhythms which are dificult for me even trying... what i ment in my question is:
If me and 10 year tabla player, play the same simple rhythm "dhatir kittke tuna kittke tatir... " slowly, how will you be able to tell without knowing, that i am the 2 year player and he is the 10 year player?
The other thing i wanted to ask you is:
Can you please try to explain more clearly the sentence you wrote me in your reply : "The Tuk is a chupki snap on the kinar" - What is Tuk? chupki? kinar ?
Warren
Re:(To Warren) 10 years practicing VS 2 years practicing Sep 25, 2002 10:51 p.m.


Also the kinar is the outer skin of the tabla , sur or maidan is the middle skin. Gab or Syhai is the black circle. Check the beggining tabla lessons with Gourisankar for a list of boles and tabla parts http://www.angelfire.com/music3/tabla/karmaker.htm
You may have to go to the main page first http://www.angelfire.com/music3/tabla then the composition page

gil (Sep 21, 2002 06:30 a.m.):
Hi Warren
I read your replay to me, i think i didnt ask the question clear enough. I have no doubt that 10 year tabla player will be able to play rhythms which are dificult for me even trying... what i ment in my question is:
If me and 10 year tabla player, play the same simple rhythm "dhatir kittke tuna kittke tatir... " slowly, how will you be able to tell without knowing, that i am the 2 year player and he is the 10 year player?
The other thing i wanted to ask you is:
Can you please try to explain more clearly the sentence you wrote me in your reply : "The Tuk is a chupki snap on the kinar" - What is Tuk? chupki? kinar ?
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