INDIAN MUSIC FORUM ARCHIVES: Tabla Forum: Tabla/Drumset

 

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jake
Tabla/Drumset Jun 19, 2002 12:30 p.m.


I'm a drumset player who has a working knowledge of the tabla.I've developed a system to translate tabla bols into a drumset technique that's sound is consistent with the tabla.Is there anyone else who is interested in this?Are there recordings?
Jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jun 19, 2002 04:20 p.m.


There is a book of North Indian rhythms put on a drumset. It's available in Amazon, if I remember correctly. Narada Walden plays in Masters of percussion CD drumset with Zakir Hussain and they trade short rhythmic ideas, but there is just that one piece featuring drumset.
If you understand all the rhytmic aspects of North India tihais, tukras, chakradars and different gats etc. go and check South Indian stuff also.
Test different kaidas on drumset, that would be cool! Use your creativity, because there aren't too many drummers trying to play Indian stuff. If you have a solid technic with a good independence your chances are endless...
Keep up the good work!
563
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jun 21, 2002 12:57 a.m.


im greatly interested. if you have any recording of yourself id love to hear 'em. or if you could explain more you could just email me.

great idea

jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jun 21, 2002 09:48 a.m.



563 (Jun 21, 2002 12:57 a.m.):
im greatly interested. if you have any recording of yourself id love to hear 'em. or if you could explain more you could just email me.

great idea



Thank you for your reply.I would like to e-mail you. But I don't have an address on you.
theMonk
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jun 21, 2002 06:17 p.m.


Email me if you ever want to play in oklahoma with me! hollowbody@cox.net
joe
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jun 22, 2002 01:55 p.m.


There is a rare cd out there with Allah Rakha playing with the famed soloist Buddy Rich called Rich 'a la Rakha email me if you are interested.

coletrain@sbcglobal.net

One_Of_Siren's_Explorer'
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jul 02, 2002 03:18 a.m.



jake (Jun 19, 2002 12:30 p.m.):
I'm a drumset player who has a working knowledge of the tabla.I've developed a system to translate tabla bols into a drumset technique that's sound is consistent with the tabla.Is there anyone else who is interested in this?Are there recordings?

Hi-
My name is Aaron. I am actually incredibly interested in appling tabla to my set. If I could get the information you have that would be great.
Thanks
Aaron

jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jul 02, 2002 10:31 a.m.


Sure,just send me an e-mail jayka@viaccess.net
jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Jul 06, 2002 10:54 a.m.


Hey,Aaron.I'm not getting thru on that e-mail address you gave me.
Varuna
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 05, 2002 05:11 p.m.


Well it sounds interesting and I would check out Trilok Gurtu albums in the fusion jazz or international sections . He is the most prolific indian trap drummer and also a tabla player.
As a trap drummer also one of the main things I love about tabla is the ability to play rhythm that are far to complex on drums . unless you have nine or 8 arms. (every finger is it's own drum stick) But they are both great instruments.
Warren
http://www.angelfire.com/music3/tabla
Jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 07, 2002 10:26 a.m.


Too complex,perhaps until now.I figured out away around that.I've added that extra limb(no bulls**t) It's extremely difficult,but possible if 1 has the time.(I do)Also,incidentally,there are plenty of rhythms possible on the kit that don't lend themselves to tabla or any other instrument. The drumset is a notorious mimic.
Varuna
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 09, 2002 11:44 a.m.


I tried that extra limb but the viagra wears off : )
Jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 09, 2002 04:16 p.m.


you're very clever
theMonk
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 12, 2002 02:06 a.m.


Acually my tabla teacher just gave me a document with a few simple kydas and stuff, and the adaptations to drumset. I dont know where he got it, but there was aparagraph at the top about it, then the examples. Ill scan and send if anyone wants a look.
Dustin
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 19, 2002 10:58 a.m.


I'd like to check that kaida/drumset adaptation out if possible. My e-mail address is anticodon@juno.com. Thanks
Jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 19, 2002 04:32 p.m.


I,also would be interested in those. thanks Monk. jayka@viaccess.net
Ryan
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 20, 2002 01:57 p.m.


Interested---tabla_guy@yahoo.com
Ryan
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 20, 2002 01:58 p.m.


tabla_guy@yahoo.com is my address.
Sadala
Re:Tabla/Drumset Aug 21, 2002 06:41 p.m.


I'd love to see it

ja_@bellsouth.net

anticodon
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 11, 2002 05:56 p.m.


I think we've been had.
Warren
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 19, 2002 12:08 a.m.


The problem is the hands are sort of switched.
For instance using my left hand on a table I can play a lot of the typical drum kit beats , try your thumb as the base drum 1st and 2nd finger as snare. most percussionist can do a good roll with those 2 fingers . However my right hand works differently. Problem is Left hand is the Baya hand this is why tabla ends up being transposed more to the cymbal ride. Also switch your drum triplet which might correspond to taketa 2 right, bass, 1 left terekita , I think aside from transposing basic simple compositions there are some real problems with this concept
I do like to incorporate more tihias in my drum kit solos though.
Warren
Jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 19, 2002 09:58 a.m.



Warren (Sep 19, 2002 12:08 a.m.):
The problem is the hands are sort of switched.
For instance using my left hand on a table I can play a lot of the typical drum kit beats , try your thumb as the base drum 1st and 2nd finger as snare. most percussionist can do a good roll with those 2 fingers . However my right hand works differently. Problem is Left hand is the Baya hand this is why tabla ends up being transposed more to the cymbal ride. Also switch your drum triplet which might correspond to taketa 2 right, bass, 1 left terekita , I think aside from transposing basic simple compositions there are some real problems with this concept
I do like to incorporate more tihias in my drum kit solos though.
Warren

Hey Warren,

Over the years I've developed many techniques for playing tabla riffs on the kit. Some of them take certain liberties to make up for things lost in the translation,or to take advantage of new found elements/inspirations inherent in the exchange of the 2 cultures.
Switching
Use theLH on the FT/baya.RH on the SD/dagga,or L-side ride cym.Use the R-forearm/elbow to muffle the FT. This way your hands are consistent w/ a RH'ed tabla setup & you can play ge & ke.
I don't follow what you mean on the "drum triplet" statement.
Basic Dah te te comps are better played w/o the xtra limb.
I'm sure you already use many tihais in your playing.They are quite effective,aren't they?
Thanks for the feedback.

Jake

Warren
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 25, 2002 11:10 p.m.


That's an interesting idea another tabla drummer friend of mine puts his foot on the floor tom to modulate the tom roll. It cracks me up.but goes over well in performance.
what i meant was te=right hand re =right hand ke =bass drum ta=left hand then taka would be right ka=bass =terekitataka roll RRKLRKL repeat at top speed for a basic trkttkatrkttk roll but I suppose kicks could be done on floor tom muffled.
Warren
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 25, 2002 11:13 p.m.


Also my FT is on the right . do you play left handed
Jake
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 26, 2002 12:11 a.m.



Warren (Sep 25, 2002 11:13 p.m.):
Also my FT is on the right . do you play left handed

No I'm a righty.
I put te & re on the floor w/ R & L feet. Ki is the muffled FT.Then te ta ka is: R & L feet & muffled FT again.This,to me, is more consistent
w/ the bol. Also, ta's on the kinar can easily be struck w/ the RH on the snare,& dah can,of course,be struck w/ open FT & snare.
Sajjad
Re:Tabla/Drumset Sep 27, 2002 08:05 a.m.


Jake... please send me some details on your system as well at

sajjadi@yahoo.com.

Thanks

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